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China doesn't want as a prime goal to become world leader. They just want to expand their infrastructure, science, production, everything for their own prosperi

China doesn't want as a prime goal to become world leader. They just want to expand their infrastructure, science, production, everything for their own prosperity. If there is no other competitor left, then world leadership will be a by product. They don't suppress foreign countries for that goal (see military presence, coups and secret diplomatic deals in foreign countries that the US was doing after WWII in order to remain at the top by all means). They don't want (until now) to spread their culture worldwide (see language, movies, video games etc) due to the language difficulty. They do want to expand their productive capacity by financing projects in foreign countries, but in a business-as-usual way not in a I-am-the-boss way.

mschuster91 8mo ago
> They don't suppress foreign countries for that goal Oh hell yes they do. Chinese overfishing is wreaking havoc across the planet [1], not just near Asia, but the reach of Chinese fishing fleets goes as far as Africa and South America. In the case of Africa, this has been one of the contributing causes for people to flee to Europe. Then you got the stealing. America certainly isn't innocent either when it comes to IP theft, but China takes that on yet another level. And finally, you got artificial subsidies. Solar, batteries, cars - the CCP is engaged in insane pricing wars backed by practically infinite funds. They already managed to "outcompete" most solar production and are on their best way to screw up our automotive industries as well. > They do want to expand their productive capacity by financing projects in foreign countries, but in a business-as-usual way not in a I-am-the-boss way. Nope. They are just as vile loan sharks as the IMF, some say they go even further [2]. [1] https://www.newsweek.com/chinas-rampant-illegal-fishing-endangering-environment-global-economy-opinion-1776034 https://www.newsweek.com/chinas-rampant-illegal-fishing-enda... [2] https://www.news24.com/business/china-puts-aggressive-terms-on-uganda-airport-loan-researchers-20220228 https://www.news24.com/business/china-puts-aggressive-terms-...
- LtWorf 8mo ago
  What are exactly the japanese fishing boats doing in the mediterranean?
  - mschuster91 8mo ago
    I haven't found any references to Japan fishing in the Mediterranean, the only thing I could find is illegal fish farms in Croatia that farm fish to be exported to Japan and potentially "launder" illicitly caught Libyan fish [1]. While that is bad, it still is only a case of your typical piece of Balkan corruption - and actually being a Croatian citizen, I can only say one thing to these particular arseholes: jebo vam pas mater - and nowhere near comparable to what China is doing. [1] https://asia.nikkei.com/politics/international-relations/illegally-procured-tuna-easily-enter-japan-from-mediterranean https://asia.nikkei.com/politics/international-relations/ill...
- rain_iwakura 8mo ago
  you posted an opinion piece by "Director of National Maritime Intelligence Integration Office (NMIO) and Commander, Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI)" (i.e. State Department mouthpiece) and the other source is from 2022, with airport still operating, (no evidence that it belongs to china), directly refuting your own point. > America certainly isn't innocent either when it comes to IP theft, but China takes that on yet another level there you go with your bias. https://reason.com/2024/06/02/the-mirage-of-chinas-i-p-theft/ https://reason.com/2024/06/02/the-mirage-of-chinas-i-p-theft... America itself was built on IP theft by the way. https://apnews.com/general-news-b40414d22f2248428ce11ff36b88dc53 https://apnews.com/general-news-b40414d22f2248428ce11ff36b88... >Nope. They are just as vile loan sharks as the IMF, some say they go even further [2]. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2468227624001091 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S246822762... Chinese have actually been investing into infrastructure and helping build Africa out. What are you smoking? Do you need a reminder who ran Transatlantic Slave Trade and what IMF represents? There are no good guys in the lending world. Are you assigning a moral value to loans and repayments now? If someone gives you money they expect interest. Doesn't matter if they're Chinese or American. P.S. judging from your other comments, you're European, not American, and so at this point of Trump presidency (and listening to Carney's speech), you should realize that "The West" isn't about moral hegemony. This isn't America good, China bad. It's a calculus of power. Trump just laid that bare by showing that might makes right, which is why he's renegotiating our already dominant position, and showing how this hegemony and loan structure was built. The liberal veneer was there as a pretty varnish. The fact that you're still out here pretending like we're the good guys is strange to me, unless you're one of those NAFO guys that are kind of going extinct because US is screwing itself over by hurting its allies.
LunaSea 8mo ago
> They don't suppress foreign countries for that goal They are just pacifically planning on invading Taiwan at the moment. They also install secret police stations in foreign countries to chase and pressure Chinese citizens or people of Chinese decent into doing their bidding.
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mschuster91 8mo ago

> They don't suppress foreign countries for that goal Oh hell yes they do. Chinese overfishing is wreaking havoc across the planet [1], not just near Asia, but the reach of Chinese fishing fleets goes as far as Africa and South America. In the case of Africa, this has been one of the contributing causes for people to flee to Europe. Then you got the stealing. America certainly isn't innocent either when it comes to IP theft, but China takes that on yet another level. And finally, you got artificial subsidies. Solar, batteries, cars - the CCP is engaged in insane pricing wars backed by practically infinite funds. They already managed to "outcompete" most solar production and are on their best way to screw up our automotive industries as well. > They do want to expand their productive capacity by financing projects in foreign countries, but in a business-as-usual way not in a I-am-the-boss way. Nope. They are just as vile loan sharks as the IMF, some say they go even further [2]. [1] https://www.newsweek.com/chinas-rampant-illegal-fishing-endangering-environment-global-economy-opinion-1776034 https://www.newsweek.com/chinas-rampant-illegal-fishing-enda... [2] https://www.news24.com/business/china-puts-aggressive-terms-on-uganda-airport-loan-researchers-20220228 https://www.news24.com/business/china-puts-aggressive-terms-...

LtWorf 8mo ago
What are exactly the japanese fishing boats doing in the mediterranean?
- mschuster91 8mo ago
  I haven't found any references to Japan fishing in the Mediterranean, the only thing I could find is illegal fish farms in Croatia that farm fish to be exported to Japan and potentially "launder" illicitly caught Libyan fish [1]. While that is bad, it still is only a case of your typical piece of Balkan corruption - and actually being a Croatian citizen, I can only say one thing to these particular arseholes: jebo vam pas mater - and nowhere near comparable to what China is doing. [1] https://asia.nikkei.com/politics/international-relations/illegally-procured-tuna-easily-enter-japan-from-mediterranean https://asia.nikkei.com/politics/international-relations/ill...
rain_iwakura 8mo ago
you posted an opinion piece by "Director of National Maritime Intelligence Integration Office (NMIO) and Commander, Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI)" (i.e. State Department mouthpiece) and the other source is from 2022, with airport still operating, (no evidence that it belongs to china), directly refuting your own point. > America certainly isn't innocent either when it comes to IP theft, but China takes that on yet another level there you go with your bias. https://reason.com/2024/06/02/the-mirage-of-chinas-i-p-theft/ https://reason.com/2024/06/02/the-mirage-of-chinas-i-p-theft... America itself was built on IP theft by the way. https://apnews.com/general-news-b40414d22f2248428ce11ff36b88dc53 https://apnews.com/general-news-b40414d22f2248428ce11ff36b88... >Nope. They are just as vile loan sharks as the IMF, some say they go even further [2]. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2468227624001091 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S246822762... Chinese have actually been investing into infrastructure and helping build Africa out. What are you smoking? Do you need a reminder who ran Transatlantic Slave Trade and what IMF represents? There are no good guys in the lending world. Are you assigning a moral value to loans and repayments now? If someone gives you money they expect interest. Doesn't matter if they're Chinese or American. P.S. judging from your other comments, you're European, not American, and so at this point of Trump presidency (and listening to Carney's speech), you should realize that "The West" isn't about moral hegemony. This isn't America good, China bad. It's a calculus of power. Trump just laid that bare by showing that might makes right, which is why he's renegotiating our already dominant position, and showing how this hegemony and loan structure was built. The liberal veneer was there as a pretty varnish. The fact that you're still out here pretending like we're the good guys is strange to me, unless you're one of those NAFO guys that are kind of going extinct because US is screwing itself over by hurting its allies.

LunaSea 8mo ago

> They don't suppress foreign countries for that goal They are just pacifically planning on invading Taiwan at the moment. They also install secret police stations in foreign countries to chase and pressure Chinese citizens or people of Chinese decent into doing their bidding.

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