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Is it that hard to believe? As far as I can tell, the probability of receiving death threats approaches 1 as the size of your audience increases, and AI is a hi

Is it that hard to believe? As far as I can tell, the probability of receiving death threats approaches 1 as the size of your audience increases, and AI is a highly emotionally charged topic. Now, credible death threats are a different, much trickier question.

boomlinde 8mo ago
You can believe one thing or another, but the question is whether it's true. Do you sincerely not understand the difference?
- andrewflnr 8mo ago
  I do understand the difference, which is why I explicitly commented on jacquesm's beliefs and epistemology.
  - boomlinde 8mo ago
    They asked for a single example to give a sense of whether this actually happens. You ignored the request to talk about something else which has nothing to do with what actually happens.
jacquesm 8mo ago
Yes, it's quite hard to believe. That's why one single example is sufficient for me. Then I'll be happy to extrapolate that one example to many more so it is a low bar I would say, given the OPs statement about how common this is. Note the 'easily'.
- staticassertion 8mo ago
  It's strange to me that you read the word 'easily' as 'commonly', these are unrelated terms. But I suppose I am fine with saying that reports of death threats against users who use AI are quite common, certainly any navigation of one of the more controversial subreddits where these topics come up is sure to reveal that users are reporting this. You can find more public accounts, such as by artists or game companies, about death threats they've received.
  - ted_dunning 8mo ago
    Great. If they can find such public accounts, so can you. Find us one. So far, every post you have made has convinced me of the opposite of what you claim because you haven't been able to produce even one example. This isn't a matter of proving that such threats are common, it's about proving the exist.
    - staticassertion 8mo ago
      > so can you. I don't feel obligated to provide evidence based on some vague suspicion about "verified" accounts. If they want to find it, go ahead. Why is that such a heavy ask? Here, https://www.reddit.com/r/aiwars/search/?q=death+threat&cId=724fa4ef-235d-4687-97a0-cef113336af5&iId=dcbb0f1a-f5de-4cb3-92df-cfe7ea8bf00b https://www.reddit.com/r/aiwars/search/?q=death+threat&cId=7... The problem is, of course, that now you can say "but those aren't verified!" and now it's tossed back at me to keep trying to meet some "bar" for this. Or this, https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/postal-game-developer-shuts-down-after-its-project-was-cancelled-due-to-allegations-of-generative-ai-use/ https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/postal-game-develop... Oh gosh but no arrests made, oh my god it's not VERIFIED to some whatever standard. Literally just google it if you want to know. Look into this yourself, why am I doing this for you? Why do I care? > So far, every post you have made has convinced me of the opposite of what you claim because you haven't been able to produce even one example. Absence of evidence is not evidence. If you find yourself swayed that way, evaluate your epistemology.
      - andrewflnr 8mo ago
        Note: due to reddit search being stupid, you'll have to check the "limit my search to r/aiwars" box and re-run the search to get anything relevant.
- andrewflnr 8mo ago
  So you've somehow avoided seeing all the other stories over the years from people who received death threats over far more asinine topics? I'll be honest, I can't be bothered to do research on this, but the base rate is so high that the real question in my mind is whether the presence of death threats related to a topic is diagnostic of anything at all.

boomlinde 8mo ago

You can believe one thing or another, but the question is whether it's true. Do you sincerely not understand the difference?

andrewflnr 8mo ago
I do understand the difference, which is why I explicitly commented on jacquesm's beliefs and epistemology.
- boomlinde 8mo ago
  They asked for a single example to give a sense of whether this actually happens. You ignored the request to talk about something else which has nothing to do with what actually happens.

jacquesm 8mo ago

Yes, it's quite hard to believe. That's why one single example is sufficient for me. Then I'll be happy to extrapolate that one example to many more so it is a low bar I would say, given the OPs statement about how common this is. Note the 'easily'.

staticassertion 8mo ago
It's strange to me that you read the word 'easily' as 'commonly', these are unrelated terms. But I suppose I am fine with saying that reports of death threats against users who use AI are quite common, certainly any navigation of one of the more controversial subreddits where these topics come up is sure to reveal that users are reporting this. You can find more public accounts, such as by artists or game companies, about death threats they've received.
- ted_dunning 8mo ago
  Great. If they can find such public accounts, so can you. Find us one. So far, every post you have made has convinced me of the opposite of what you claim because you haven't been able to produce even one example. This isn't a matter of proving that such threats are common, it's about proving the exist.
  - staticassertion 8mo ago
    > so can you. I don't feel obligated to provide evidence based on some vague suspicion about "verified" accounts. If they want to find it, go ahead. Why is that such a heavy ask? Here, https://www.reddit.com/r/aiwars/search/?q=death+threat&cId=724fa4ef-235d-4687-97a0-cef113336af5&iId=dcbb0f1a-f5de-4cb3-92df-cfe7ea8bf00b https://www.reddit.com/r/aiwars/search/?q=death+threat&cId=7... The problem is, of course, that now you can say "but those aren't verified!" and now it's tossed back at me to keep trying to meet some "bar" for this. Or this, https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/postal-game-developer-shuts-down-after-its-project-was-cancelled-due-to-allegations-of-generative-ai-use/ https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/postal-game-develop... Oh gosh but no arrests made, oh my god it's not VERIFIED to some whatever standard. Literally just google it if you want to know. Look into this yourself, why am I doing this for you? Why do I care? > So far, every post you have made has convinced me of the opposite of what you claim because you haven't been able to produce even one example. Absence of evidence is not evidence. If you find yourself swayed that way, evaluate your epistemology.
    - andrewflnr 8mo ago
      Note: due to reddit search being stupid, you'll have to check the "limit my search to r/aiwars" box and re-run the search to get anything relevant.
andrewflnr 8mo ago
So you've somehow avoided seeing all the other stories over the years from people who received death threats over far more asinine topics? I'll be honest, I can't be bothered to do research on this, but the base rate is so high that the real question in my mind is whether the presence of death threats related to a topic is diagnostic of anything at all.