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> You can easily get death threats if you're associating yourself with AI publicly. That's a pretty hefty statement, especially the 'easily' part, but I'll set

> You can easily get death threats if you're associating yourself with AI publicly. That's a pretty hefty statement, especially the 'easily' part, but I'll settle for one well known and verified example.

andrewflnr 9mo ago
Is it that hard to believe? As far as I can tell, the probability of receiving death threats approaches 1 as the size of your audience increases, and AI is a highly emotionally charged topic. Now, credible death threats are a different, much trickier question.
- boomlinde 9mo ago
  You can believe one thing or another, but the question is whether it's true. Do you sincerely not understand the difference?
  - andrewflnr 9mo ago
    I do understand the difference, which is why I explicitly commented on jacquesm's beliefs and epistemology.
    - boomlinde 8mo ago
      They asked for a single example to give a sense of whether this actually happens. You ignored the request to talk about something else which has nothing to do with what actually happens.
- jacquesm 9mo ago
  Yes, it's quite hard to believe. That's why one single example is sufficient for me. Then I'll be happy to extrapolate that one example to many more so it is a low bar I would say, given the OPs statement about how common this is. Note the 'easily'.
  - staticassertion 9mo ago
    It's strange to me that you read the word 'easily' as 'commonly', these are unrelated terms. But I suppose I am fine with saying that reports of death threats against users who use AI are quite common, certainly any navigation of one of the more controversial subreddits where these topics come up is sure to reveal that users are reporting this. You can find more public accounts, such as by artists or game companies, about death threats they've received.
    - ted_dunning 9mo ago
      Great. If they can find such public accounts, so can you. Find us one. So far, every post you have made has convinced me of the opposite of what you claim because you haven't been able to produce even one example. This isn't a matter of proving that such threats are common, it's about proving the exist.
      - staticassertion 9mo ago
        > so can you. I don't feel obligated to provide evidence based on some vague suspicion about "verified" accounts. If they want to find it, go ahead. Why is that such a heavy ask? Here, https://www.reddit.com/r/aiwars/search/?q=death+threat&cId=724fa4ef-235d-4687-97a0-cef113336af5&iId=dcbb0f1a-f5de-4cb3-92df-cfe7ea8bf00b https://www.reddit.com/r/aiwars/search/?q=death+threat&cId=7... The problem is, of course, that now you can say "but those aren't verified!" and now it's tossed back at me to keep trying to meet some "bar" for this. Or this, https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/postal-game-developer-shuts-down-after-its-project-was-cancelled-due-to-allegations-of-generative-ai-use/ https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/postal-game-develop... Oh gosh but no arrests made, oh my god it's not VERIFIED to some whatever standard. Literally just google it if you want to know. Look into this yourself, why am I doing this for you? Why do I care? > So far, every post you have made has convinced me of the opposite of what you claim because you haven't been able to produce even one example. Absence of evidence is not evidence. If you find yourself swayed that way, evaluate your epistemology.
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no-name-here 9mo ago
I upvoted you, but wouldn't “verified” exclude the vast majority of death threats since they might have been faked? (Or maybe we should disregard almost all claimed death threats we hear about since they might have been faked?)
staticassertion 9mo ago
I'm surprised that you consider this hefty or find this surprising. I think you can just Google this and decide on what you consider "verified". There's quite a lot of "AI drama" out there that I'm sure you can find. I'm reluctant to provide examples just to have you say "that's not meeting my bar for verified" for what I consider such a low stakes conversation.
- jacquesm 9mo ago
  So nothing then.
  - staticassertion 9mo ago
    Nothing from me! Sorry but I don't really think I'm obligated to support that claim. edit: Here, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47102818 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47102818 That's the absolute most I'll do for you. Go find your own evidence, otherwise.

andrewflnr 9mo ago

Is it that hard to believe? As far as I can tell, the probability of receiving death threats approaches 1 as the size of your audience increases, and AI is a highly emotionally charged topic. Now, credible death threats are a different, much trickier question.

boomlinde 9mo ago
You can believe one thing or another, but the question is whether it's true. Do you sincerely not understand the difference?
- andrewflnr 9mo ago
  I do understand the difference, which is why I explicitly commented on jacquesm's beliefs and epistemology.
  - boomlinde 8mo ago
    They asked for a single example to give a sense of whether this actually happens. You ignored the request to talk about something else which has nothing to do with what actually happens.
jacquesm 9mo ago
Yes, it's quite hard to believe. That's why one single example is sufficient for me. Then I'll be happy to extrapolate that one example to many more so it is a low bar I would say, given the OPs statement about how common this is. Note the 'easily'.
- staticassertion 9mo ago
  It's strange to me that you read the word 'easily' as 'commonly', these are unrelated terms. But I suppose I am fine with saying that reports of death threats against users who use AI are quite common, certainly any navigation of one of the more controversial subreddits where these topics come up is sure to reveal that users are reporting this. You can find more public accounts, such as by artists or game companies, about death threats they've received.
  - ted_dunning 9mo ago
    Great. If they can find such public accounts, so can you. Find us one. So far, every post you have made has convinced me of the opposite of what you claim because you haven't been able to produce even one example. This isn't a matter of proving that such threats are common, it's about proving the exist.
    - staticassertion 9mo ago
      > so can you. I don't feel obligated to provide evidence based on some vague suspicion about "verified" accounts. If they want to find it, go ahead. Why is that such a heavy ask? Here, https://www.reddit.com/r/aiwars/search/?q=death+threat&cId=724fa4ef-235d-4687-97a0-cef113336af5&iId=dcbb0f1a-f5de-4cb3-92df-cfe7ea8bf00b https://www.reddit.com/r/aiwars/search/?q=death+threat&cId=7... The problem is, of course, that now you can say "but those aren't verified!" and now it's tossed back at me to keep trying to meet some "bar" for this. Or this, https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/postal-game-developer-shuts-down-after-its-project-was-cancelled-due-to-allegations-of-generative-ai-use/ https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/postal-game-develop... Oh gosh but no arrests made, oh my god it's not VERIFIED to some whatever standard. Literally just google it if you want to know. Look into this yourself, why am I doing this for you? Why do I care? > So far, every post you have made has convinced me of the opposite of what you claim because you haven't been able to produce even one example. Absence of evidence is not evidence. If you find yourself swayed that way, evaluate your epistemology.
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no-name-here 9mo ago

I upvoted you, but wouldn't “verified” exclude the vast majority of death threats since they might have been faked? (Or maybe we should disregard almost all claimed death threats we hear about since they might have been faked?)

staticassertion 9mo ago

I'm surprised that you consider this hefty or find this surprising. I think you can just Google this and decide on what you consider "verified". There's quite a lot of "AI drama" out there that I'm sure you can find. I'm reluctant to provide examples just to have you say "that's not meeting my bar for verified" for what I consider such a low stakes conversation.

jacquesm 9mo ago
So nothing then.
- staticassertion 9mo ago
  Nothing from me! Sorry but I don't really think I'm obligated to support that claim. edit: Here, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47102818 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47102818 That's the absolute most I'll do for you. Go find your own evidence, otherwise.