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Which "schoolchildren" died because of a firearm that was purchased inside of a 30 day window? None of the famous massacres would fit this bill; did you have an

by 15155 8mo ago

Which "schoolchildren" died because of a firearm that was purchased inside of a 30 day window? None of the famous massacres would fit this bill; did you have an actual, documented event in mind or just feelings? All of the gun grabbers I am aware of that are in favor of waiting periods try to make this infringement justified based on "crimes of passion" and other "heat-of-the-moment" nonsense - not "schoolchildren."

delaminator 8mo ago
They don't have any evidence because they are appeals to emotion. If you look at the people doing the shooting you get a much better correlation but no-one wants to go there.
- Hikikomori 8mo ago
  No evidence? Just look at Europe or Australia.
  - delaminator 8mo ago
    the places where they put you in prison for tweets ?
    - delaminator 8mo ago
      Are you sure it's a gun problem? 2021 - Ethnic minorities represent over 50% of Birmingham’s population - [0] 2022 - Birmingham overtakes London as 'gun capital' of Britain with huge surge in gang violence - [1] [0] https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/birmingham-overtakes-london-gun-capital-30794714 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/birmingham-overtakes-l... [1] https://www.birminghamworld.uk/news/ethnic-minorities-represent-over-50-of-birminghams-population-3935994 https://www.birminghamworld.uk/news/ethnic-minorities-repres...
      - Hikikomori 8mo ago
        Are you suggesting its a skin color problem? Going from 0.05 to 0.06 is also a "big surge". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_homicide_rates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r...
        mothballed 8mo ago
        In the US one of the best demographic predictor of homicide rates is skin color. For instance, super white places like New Hampshire with the ~loosest gun laws in the country have extremely low murder rates. If you take a look at say a heat map of the US where homicide is[1], it tracks extremely closely to where the black population is (New Mexico an outlier despite having stronger gun laws than most the surrounding states besides Colorado).[2] [1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Homicide_rates_per_100%2C000_by_state._FBI._US_map.svg/1280px-Homicide_rates_per_100%2C000_by_state._FBI._US_map.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Ho... [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/African_Americans_by_state.svg/960px-African_Americans_by_state.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Af...
        15155 8mo ago
        What's also fascinating is that this metric is consistent even when controlling for socioeconomic status - ruling out "unfair circumstances! less opportunities!" arguments.
        delaminator 8mo ago
        I'm not suggesting it, I'm asserting it.
Hikikomori 8mo ago
It's just an example, you're refusing any kind of gun regulation, doesn't matter what it is, dead kids is not a factor. Casual gun ownership is the difference. In Europe you can get guns, but you do it for a purpose like hunting or sports, license and training is required.

by 15155 8mo ago

delaminator 8mo ago

They don't have any evidence because they are appeals to emotion. If you look at the people doing the shooting you get a much better correlation but no-one wants to go there.

Hikikomori 8mo ago
No evidence? Just look at Europe or Australia.
- delaminator 8mo ago
  the places where they put you in prison for tweets ?
  - delaminator 8mo ago
    Are you sure it's a gun problem? 2021 - Ethnic minorities represent over 50% of Birmingham’s population - [0] 2022 - Birmingham overtakes London as 'gun capital' of Britain with huge surge in gang violence - [1] [0] https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/birmingham-overtakes-london-gun-capital-30794714 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/birmingham-overtakes-l... [1] https://www.birminghamworld.uk/news/ethnic-minorities-represent-over-50-of-birminghams-population-3935994 https://www.birminghamworld.uk/news/ethnic-minorities-repres...
    - Hikikomori 8mo ago
      Are you suggesting its a skin color problem? Going from 0.05 to 0.06 is also a "big surge". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_homicide_rates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r...
      - mothballed 8mo ago
        In the US one of the best demographic predictor of homicide rates is skin color. For instance, super white places like New Hampshire with the ~loosest gun laws in the country have extremely low murder rates. If you take a look at say a heat map of the US where homicide is[1], it tracks extremely closely to where the black population is (New Mexico an outlier despite having stronger gun laws than most the surrounding states besides Colorado).[2] [1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Homicide_rates_per_100%2C000_by_state._FBI._US_map.svg/1280px-Homicide_rates_per_100%2C000_by_state._FBI._US_map.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Ho... [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/African_Americans_by_state.svg/960px-African_Americans_by_state.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Af...
        15155 8mo ago
        What's also fascinating is that this metric is consistent even when controlling for socioeconomic status - ruling out "unfair circumstances! less opportunities!" arguments.
      - delaminator 8mo ago
        I'm not suggesting it, I'm asserting it.

Hikikomori 8mo ago

It's just an example, you're refusing any kind of gun regulation, doesn't matter what it is, dead kids is not a factor. Casual gun ownership is the difference. In Europe you can get guns, but you do it for a purpose like hunting or sports, license and training is required.