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> There have also been other high profile cases of people being arrested for posting things that were not like that burn the hotel down case Such as? > Is nob

> There have also been other high profile cases of people being arrested for posting things that were not like that burn the hotel down case Such as? > Is nobody allowed to be concerned about any of this without being some horrible underground extremist, in your opinion? Horrible underground extremist? Not so much. More likely just someone who consumes a very particular slice of media that puts a dishonest (at best) spin on situations like this.

stinkbeetle 8mo ago
> > There have also been other high profile cases of people being arrested for posting things that were not like that burn the hotel down case > Such as? That was the only thing in my comment you took issue with? Great, that's easy to clear up because there's a few around. Here's one https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/yorkshire-man-arrested-home-middle-32559854 https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/yorkshire-man-a... Arrested for saying "F--- Palestine. F--- Hamas. F--- Islam. Want to protest? F--- off to Muslim country and protest." > Horrible underground extremist? Not so much. More likely just someone who consumes a very particular slice of media that puts a dishonest (at best) spin on situations like this. Hmm. Was your previous post a dishonest (at best) spin on it too? That would be consistent with your claim if you are a consumer of a very particular slice of media and did not know you can find articles from a whole range of publications about this stuff easily on the internet. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jan/19/arresting-palestine-action-supporters-censor-free-speech-white-house-official https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jan/19/arresting-pa... https://www.forbes.com.au/news/world-news/people-are-being-thrown-in-u-k-prisons-over-what-theyve-said-online-can-free-speech-be-saved/ https://www.forbes.com.au/news/world-news/people-are-being-t... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2922w73e1o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2922w73e1o (Online speech laws need to be reviewed after Linehan arrest, says Streeting) https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/2/13/uk-decision-to-ban-palestine-action-as-terror-group-unlawful-court-says https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/2/13/uk-decision-to-ban-... https://www.politico.eu/article/freedom-speech-suspicion-britains-expression-crisis-uk-police-palestine-democracy/ https://www.politico.eu/article/freedom-speech-suspicion-bri... https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/10/world/europe/graham-linehan-free-speech-uk.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/10/world/europe/graham-lineh... https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/palestine-action-ruling-9.7089382 https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/palestine-action-ruling... https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/03/uk/uk-farage-free-speech-linehan-latam-intl https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/03/uk/uk-farage-free-speech-... https://www.fire.org/news/uk-government-issues-warning-think-you-post https://www.fire.org/news/uk-government-issues-warning-think... https://www.foxnews.com/world/shocking-cases-reveal-britains-orwellian-free-speech-crackdown https://www.foxnews.com/world/shocking-cases-reveal-britains... You really don't need to be some obscure basement dweller to have any kind of vague inkling that something might be a little on the nose in the proverbial state of Denmark.
- oezi 8mo ago
  The key thing to understand is that Europeans want clear rules around hate speech, online harassment and such. Thus lawmakers are acting to find laws which encapsulate these. In Germany, we have some simple ones surrounding using Nazi symbols and speech. These rules generally work well in our civil law context. Civil law usually is rather broad strokes and there might be cases where something injust happens which requires tuning laws. If you come from a common law context the whole idea might seem strange.
  - deaux 8mo ago
    > The key thing to understand is that Europeans want clear rules around hate speech Regardless of my personal thoughts on this (complicated), simply putting "many" in front of "Europeans" does a lot to diminish further alienation of those who don't, helping you achieve your goals. It takes 0.5 seconds.
    - oezi 8mo ago
      Agreed
  - stinkbeetle 8mo ago
    > The key thing to understand is that Europeans want clear rules around hate speech, online harassment and such. Do they? Or is it being pushed upon them? And why is it "the key thing" here? > Thus lawmakers are acting to find laws which encapsulate these. I suspect it has been the reverse, the ruling class desperately wants those powers and if the common people are now in favor of them it is more than likely because of intensive campaigns from their governments and corporations to change their minds. > In Germany, we have some simple ones surrounding using Nazi symbols and speech. These rules generally work well in our civil law context. Civil law usually is rather broad strokes and there might be cases where something injust happens which requires tuning laws. Some laws existing does not mean some other laws won't be unjust. Or that legislated laws will always be right and not require "some tuning". > If you come from a common law context the whole idea might seem strange. The different systems of law don't seem all that strange to me at least, but the thread you are replying to is discussing censorship in the European nation of the UK. Further, what we are discussing involves executive police powers (intimidation, arrests, compiling lists), as well as legislated laws, so it is not really just some quirk of common law at all.

stinkbeetle 8mo ago

> > There have also been other high profile cases of people being arrested for posting things that were not like that burn the hotel down case > Such as? That was the only thing in my comment you took issue with? Great, that's easy to clear up because there's a few around. Here's one https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/yorkshire-man-arrested-home-middle-32559854 https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/yorkshire-man-a... Arrested for saying "F--- Palestine. F--- Hamas. F--- Islam. Want to protest? F--- off to Muslim country and protest." > Horrible underground extremist? Not so much. More likely just someone who consumes a very particular slice of media that puts a dishonest (at best) spin on situations like this. Hmm. Was your previous post a dishonest (at best) spin on it too? That would be consistent with your claim if you are a consumer of a very particular slice of media and did not know you can find articles from a whole range of publications about this stuff easily on the internet. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jan/19/arresting-palestine-action-supporters-censor-free-speech-white-house-official https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jan/19/arresting-pa... https://www.forbes.com.au/news/world-news/people-are-being-thrown-in-u-k-prisons-over-what-theyve-said-online-can-free-speech-be-saved/ https://www.forbes.com.au/news/world-news/people-are-being-t... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2922w73e1o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2922w73e1o (Online speech laws need to be reviewed after Linehan arrest, says Streeting) https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/2/13/uk-decision-to-ban-palestine-action-as-terror-group-unlawful-court-says https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/2/13/uk-decision-to-ban-... https://www.politico.eu/article/freedom-speech-suspicion-britains-expression-crisis-uk-police-palestine-democracy/ https://www.politico.eu/article/freedom-speech-suspicion-bri... https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/10/world/europe/graham-linehan-free-speech-uk.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/10/world/europe/graham-lineh... https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/palestine-action-ruling-9.7089382 https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/palestine-action-ruling... https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/03/uk/uk-farage-free-speech-linehan-latam-intl https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/03/uk/uk-farage-free-speech-... https://www.fire.org/news/uk-government-issues-warning-think-you-post https://www.fire.org/news/uk-government-issues-warning-think... https://www.foxnews.com/world/shocking-cases-reveal-britains-orwellian-free-speech-crackdown https://www.foxnews.com/world/shocking-cases-reveal-britains... You really don't need to be some obscure basement dweller to have any kind of vague inkling that something might be a little on the nose in the proverbial state of Denmark.

oezi 8mo ago
The key thing to understand is that Europeans want clear rules around hate speech, online harassment and such. Thus lawmakers are acting to find laws which encapsulate these. In Germany, we have some simple ones surrounding using Nazi symbols and speech. These rules generally work well in our civil law context. Civil law usually is rather broad strokes and there might be cases where something injust happens which requires tuning laws. If you come from a common law context the whole idea might seem strange.
- deaux 8mo ago
  > The key thing to understand is that Europeans want clear rules around hate speech Regardless of my personal thoughts on this (complicated), simply putting "many" in front of "Europeans" does a lot to diminish further alienation of those who don't, helping you achieve your goals. It takes 0.5 seconds.
  - oezi 8mo ago
    Agreed
- stinkbeetle 8mo ago
  > The key thing to understand is that Europeans want clear rules around hate speech, online harassment and such. Do they? Or is it being pushed upon them? And why is it "the key thing" here? > Thus lawmakers are acting to find laws which encapsulate these. I suspect it has been the reverse, the ruling class desperately wants those powers and if the common people are now in favor of them it is more than likely because of intensive campaigns from their governments and corporations to change their minds. > In Germany, we have some simple ones surrounding using Nazi symbols and speech. These rules generally work well in our civil law context. Civil law usually is rather broad strokes and there might be cases where something injust happens which requires tuning laws. Some laws existing does not mean some other laws won't be unjust. Or that legislated laws will always be right and not require "some tuning". > If you come from a common law context the whole idea might seem strange. The different systems of law don't seem all that strange to me at least, but the thread you are replying to is discussing censorship in the European nation of the UK. Further, what we are discussing involves executive police powers (intimidation, arrests, compiling lists), as well as legislated laws, so it is not really just some quirk of common law at all.