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> seem evil for enforcing immigration law When people living otherwise-blameless lives begin getting accosted, beaten, or killed on suspicion of the legal equi
by Terr_ 9mo ago
> seem evil for enforcing immigration law
When people living otherwise-blameless lives begin getting accosted, beaten, or killed on suspicion of the legal equivalent of unpaid parking tickets, then yes, the new enforcement occurring is indeed "evil."
When they start willfully breaking all sorts of other major laws and violating court-orders to enforce the minor law, yes, that's usually evil.
When rationales last-used to jail innocent Japanese-Americans into US "internment" camps during World War II are being resurrected to declare entire nationalities as foreign invaders, yes, that sure looks a lot like the evil it was before.
When people are being snatched off the streets and then shuffled constantly between prisons purely so that their own lawyers cannot find them to challenge their detention, that is evil.
When you're not just normally deporting people under US law, but start sending them--without trial or even charges--to rot for the rest of their lives in an El Salvador torture-prison run by a paid dictator accomplice, YES, that's f***ing evil!
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I could continue, but I won't, because those should be ample examples for normal Americans who've had over a year to watch all these well-documented things happen... and there is no amount will be enough for someone that secretly likes the evil when it happens to others.
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- disqard 9mo agoI think you might be finding a certain category of apologist over-represented here. Still, I appreciate you making the effort to engage in Good Faith!
- torstenvl 9mo ago[flagged]
- platinumrad 9mo agoYou first, buddy.
- Sohcahtoa82 9mo agoI would argue that wherever you're getting your news from is lying by omission and you have no idea what's actually happening out there. Alternatively, you're engaging in willful ignorance. Yes, it's reasonable to want to enforce immigration laws, but ICE has been engaging in outright criminal behavior. Arresting and imprisoning US citizens, denying due process, then ignoring court orders to release them. Meanwhile, ICE and DHS are lying constantly on their social media pages.
- torstenvl 9mo ago[flagged]
- Sohcahtoa82 9mo agoI guess I wasn't specific enough. Sure, ICE does have the authority to perform arrests for some crimes unrelated to immigration, that's not what I'm referring to. ICE is arresting US citizens based on immigration charges.
- Terr_ 9mo agoTacking on: I feel that is also just secondary "icing on the cake" versus the bigger problem you identified in the rest of your sentence, a portion which they ignored. Actually, hold up for a second... What kind of self-described "lawyer" could possibly ignore that portion... except by operating in bad-faith?: > denying due process, then ignoring court orders to release them. Right, even if ICE/CBP were somehow only grabbing non-citizens and only for reasons vaguely within their legal mandate, that other behavior is still criminal. Those constitutional rights, and protections from the court system, apply to everyone in US jurisdiction regardless of their immigration status. For anyone interested in more detail: "How ICE defies judges’ orders to release detainees, step by step" [0]. [0] https://www.politico.com/news/2026/02/10/ice-immigration-detention-court-orders-00771727 https://www.politico.com/news/2026/02/10/ice-immigration-det...
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- zmgsabst 9mo agoGo try the same in a non-Western country and report the comparative experience. Histrionics over normal law enforcement that is tame and well-regulated by global standards is embarrassing — it makes Americans look uneducated and childish.
- endemic 9mo agoEh, I used to think we had standards in the US, such as “no masked goons roaming the streets asking for papers.”
- fc417fc802 9mo ago> tame and well-regulated by global standards is embarrassing I live in the US. Why should I have to accept the comparatively poor standards of some "shithole country"? (Be sure to recall whose phrase that is.)