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We also shouldn't call it "vegan leather" when it is in fact just plastic. Naming departs from technical accuracy when adopted by the masses, as they retrofit

We also shouldn't call it "vegan leather" when it is in fact just plastic. Naming departs from technical accuracy when adopted by the masses, as they retrofit their common understanding. Wouldn't be too surprised if "vaccine" ends up covering other strong defense-boosters.

poszlem 8mo ago
Yes, but in this case the name is likely to actually reduce the adoption not increase it.
wvbdmp 8mo ago
I mean the word “vaccine” literally specifically references cow pox, so it’s already broadened. No reason not to go up another level.
jjtheblunt 8mo ago
> "vegan leather" when it is in fact just plastic. https://knowingfabric.com/mushroom-leather-mycelium-sustainable-vegan-materials/ https://knowingfabric.com/mushroom-leather-mycelium-sustaina... is pretty neat
- speedbird 8mo ago
  Interesting topic, offensive website. Back to the story …
- arghwhat 8mo ago
  Mycelium is neat, but last time I heard of it the problem was far, far too low manufacturing throughput. I don't think anyone would even consider marketing that as "vegan leather", as doing so would mean putting you in the same bucket as cheap-as-dirt polyurethane (which is what regular "vegan leather" is), at an astronomically higher price. You'd pick a new term to differentiate. I vote for "shroomskin".
  - jjtheblunt 8mo ago
    excellent name!
Bluescreenbuddy 8mo ago
Mushroom leather says hello
- arghwhat 8mo ago
  A good example for the discussion: leather being animal skin which obviously cannot come from a mushroom. Assuming you were countering my vegan leather claim: Products marketed "vegan leather" is polyurethane or similar, and for marketing reasons you would use a different term if you did something fancier to differentiate. My gut feeling is that a mycelium-based product would be far more expenisive than simple polyurethane, and quite an upsell.
nkmnz 8mo ago
Wouldn't be too surprised, either - but I still think there's merit in using words in a more precise manner than the marketing department would like to do.
stouset 8mo ago
I found it funny because the opposite direction, people accused Tesla of naming “autopilot” misleadingly, because it gave them the impression of fully unattended self-driving. In aviation, autopilot features were until recently (and still for GA pilots) essentially just cruise control: maintain this speed and heading, maintain this climb rate and heading, maintain this bank angle, etc.
- zoky 8mo ago
  Well, okay, but that’s like 95% of flying.
  - loloquwowndueo 8mo ago
    It’s the other 5% that takes 90% of effort :)
    - nobodyandproud 8mo ago
      Though by the 0.1% highly qualified and extensively trained, so that the chances of misunderstanding by a pilot is like 0.00001% or less.
- k4rli 8mo ago
  Because Tesla was claiming in 2016 that "next year" it would be able to drive across the Unted Sttes without any inputs.
lokar 8mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corinthian_leather https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corinthian_leather

poszlem 8mo ago

Yes, but in this case the name is likely to actually reduce the adoption not increase it.

wvbdmp 8mo ago

I mean the word “vaccine” literally specifically references cow pox, so it’s already broadened. No reason not to go up another level.

jjtheblunt 8mo ago

> "vegan leather" when it is in fact just plastic. https://knowingfabric.com/mushroom-leather-mycelium-sustainable-vegan-materials/ https://knowingfabric.com/mushroom-leather-mycelium-sustaina... is pretty neat

speedbird 8mo ago
Interesting topic, offensive website. Back to the story …
arghwhat 8mo ago
Mycelium is neat, but last time I heard of it the problem was far, far too low manufacturing throughput. I don't think anyone would even consider marketing that as "vegan leather", as doing so would mean putting you in the same bucket as cheap-as-dirt polyurethane (which is what regular "vegan leather" is), at an astronomically higher price. You'd pick a new term to differentiate. I vote for "shroomskin".
- jjtheblunt 8mo ago
  excellent name!

Bluescreenbuddy 8mo ago

Mushroom leather says hello

arghwhat 8mo ago
A good example for the discussion: leather being animal skin which obviously cannot come from a mushroom. Assuming you were countering my vegan leather claim: Products marketed "vegan leather" is polyurethane or similar, and for marketing reasons you would use a different term if you did something fancier to differentiate. My gut feeling is that a mycelium-based product would be far more expenisive than simple polyurethane, and quite an upsell.

nkmnz 8mo ago

Wouldn't be too surprised, either - but I still think there's merit in using words in a more precise manner than the marketing department would like to do.

stouset 8mo ago

I found it funny because the opposite direction, people accused Tesla of naming “autopilot” misleadingly, because it gave them the impression of fully unattended self-driving. In aviation, autopilot features were until recently (and still for GA pilots) essentially just cruise control: maintain this speed and heading, maintain this climb rate and heading, maintain this bank angle, etc.

zoky 8mo ago
Well, okay, but that’s like 95% of flying.
- loloquwowndueo 8mo ago
  It’s the other 5% that takes 90% of effort :)
  - nobodyandproud 8mo ago
    Though by the 0.1% highly qualified and extensively trained, so that the chances of misunderstanding by a pilot is like 0.00001% or less.
k4rli 8mo ago
Because Tesla was claiming in 2016 that "next year" it would be able to drive across the Unted Sttes without any inputs.

lokar 8mo ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corinthian_leather https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corinthian_leather