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Then again, Egypt was definitely driven by Western agitators, as was the case Iran recently. Iran probably got Russian tech to trace starlink users during the b

Then again, Egypt was definitely driven by Western agitators, as was the case Iran recently. Iran probably got Russian tech to trace starlink users during the blackout which put a target on many Western assets in Iran. I'm not saying the Iran government didn't also kill and torture independent actors nor that I support state violence (against its citizens, in this case). Just saying that any government will use violence to stay in power and to ensure regime change doesn't happen outside of whatever system the state upholds.

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linkregister 8mo ago
Evidence to the contrary abounds regarding Egypt. Secretary of State Clinton famously rejected the popularly-elected Muslim Brotherhood government and pledged support to Mubarak. This tacit approval led him to have a successful coup against the popularly elected government. If by "western" you meant some other power then you should be specific. Western as a term is imprecise and can be interpreted differently depending on the audience.
ch4s3 8mo ago
The claim that Iranian protesters were western agitators is a pernicious lie.
- roenxi 8mo ago
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  - ch4s3 8mo ago
    > If they didn't have a hand in the protests, that seems like a stunning failure on the part of the US State Department to support their own policies This is nothing but evidence free speculation. What you’re doing is undermining the validity of the protest movement and parroting the line of the Iranian government. It’s disgusting. Take this shit somewhere else.
    - roenxi 8mo ago
      It's hardly evidence-free, this stuff [0, 1, 2] has been making international news headlines for months. And the last time the US was involved in toppling Iran they used paid-for protests [3] so it is barely speculative to say they'd do again what worked last time. That is just common sense on their part. If they haven't done that, then people will be fired in the US executive for incompetence because that is the cheapest way to achieve their rather clear goals of rolling Iran's power structures. If you don't believe that they did that, who do you think is responsible for that failure on the US government's part? It is unfortunate that the US's actions right now undermined whatever validity you feel the protests had. I certainly agree it is disgusting - and also bad for US interests so it is curious why they're doing it. Take it up with them if you have a problem with the idea, I'm not a US general or policy maker. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Israel_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Israel_war [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_strikes_on_Iranian_nuclear_sites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_strikes_on_Irani... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_buildup_in_the_Middle_East_during_the_2026_United_States-Iran_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_buildup... [3] https://theconversation.com/how-the-cia-toppled-iranian-democracy-81628 https://theconversation.com/how-the-cia-toppled-iranian-demo... / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...
      - ch4s3 8mo ago
        None of that is evidence of the us stoking protests, and that article about the 1953 Coup is so inaccurate it’s laughable.
    - GoblinSlayer 8mo ago
      You say it as if influencers are something bad. If they spread democracy, why would they be bad?
      - ch4s3 8mo ago
        No my point is that the idea that the protests aren’t organic is deeply fucking ignorant and gross. It’s this whole line of thinking that everything turns on US action in the world, which is how 19 year olds think after they read Howard Zin or some essay by Chomsky for the first time. It’s unserious on top of robbing a lot of brave people of their own agency.

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linkregister 8mo ago

Evidence to the contrary abounds regarding Egypt. Secretary of State Clinton famously rejected the popularly-elected Muslim Brotherhood government and pledged support to Mubarak. This tacit approval led him to have a successful coup against the popularly elected government. If by "western" you meant some other power then you should be specific. Western as a term is imprecise and can be interpreted differently depending on the audience.

ch4s3 8mo ago

The claim that Iranian protesters were western agitators is a pernicious lie.

roenxi 8mo ago
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- ch4s3 8mo ago
  > If they didn't have a hand in the protests, that seems like a stunning failure on the part of the US State Department to support their own policies This is nothing but evidence free speculation. What you’re doing is undermining the validity of the protest movement and parroting the line of the Iranian government. It’s disgusting. Take this shit somewhere else.
  - roenxi 8mo ago
    It's hardly evidence-free, this stuff [0, 1, 2] has been making international news headlines for months. And the last time the US was involved in toppling Iran they used paid-for protests [3] so it is barely speculative to say they'd do again what worked last time. That is just common sense on their part. If they haven't done that, then people will be fired in the US executive for incompetence because that is the cheapest way to achieve their rather clear goals of rolling Iran's power structures. If you don't believe that they did that, who do you think is responsible for that failure on the US government's part? It is unfortunate that the US's actions right now undermined whatever validity you feel the protests had. I certainly agree it is disgusting - and also bad for US interests so it is curious why they're doing it. Take it up with them if you have a problem with the idea, I'm not a US general or policy maker. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Israel_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Israel_war [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_strikes_on_Iranian_nuclear_sites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_strikes_on_Irani... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_buildup_in_the_Middle_East_during_the_2026_United_States-Iran_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_buildup... [3] https://theconversation.com/how-the-cia-toppled-iranian-democracy-81628 https://theconversation.com/how-the-cia-toppled-iranian-demo... / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...
    - ch4s3 8mo ago
      None of that is evidence of the us stoking protests, and that article about the 1953 Coup is so inaccurate it’s laughable.
  - GoblinSlayer 8mo ago
    You say it as if influencers are something bad. If they spread democracy, why would they be bad?
    - ch4s3 8mo ago
      No my point is that the idea that the protests aren’t organic is deeply fucking ignorant and gross. It’s this whole line of thinking that everything turns on US action in the world, which is how 19 year olds think after they read Howard Zin or some essay by Chomsky for the first time. It’s unserious on top of robbing a lot of brave people of their own agency.