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He has a point, but there are no obvious alternatives. It's still a long way towards fascism for USA to actually lose its attractiveness, and it's not that othe

by oytis 8mo ago

He has a point, but there are no obvious alternatives. It's still a long way towards fascism for USA to actually lose its attractiveness, and it's not that other countries are getting more democratic either

tzs 8mo ago
For mathematics Europe is an obvious alternative. The US and Europe produce about the same level of high level mathematics research per year.
adgjlsfhk1 8mo ago
Canada and EU are currently far more attractive if not getting kidnapped by the government and sent to an El Salvadorian torture camp is a priority for you.
- oytis 8mo ago
  How many PhDs have been sent to El Salvador? EU doesn't nearly have the career opportunities as the US, even less so for foreigners. Canada might be slightly better, for its proximity to the US and being an English-speaking country
  - direwolf20 8mo ago
    None, because if you have a PhD, you're smart enough not to try it.
    - ainch 8mo ago
      It's definitely >0 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-phd-graduate-b2923946.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
- tick_tock_tick 8mo ago
  Canada can't even keep their own citizen anyone trying for much of anything comes to the USA same with the EU.
gizzlon 8mo ago
> I's still a long way towards fascism for USA to actually lose its attractiveness Hard disagree. They are on a road to totalitarianism. Unless there's a quite violent change of course, it's just going to get much worse. Have you not seen the president and his people go after: Political opponents, Attorneys, Leaders and workers in the government who dare to disagree, Immigrants and tourists with the wrong opinions, Journalists (because they power and can expose some of the lies and corruption). Have you not seen the Trump family and friends becoming very rich, and giving out contracts to their friends? Have you not seen the government being weaponist against the maga "enemies" ? This is what fascism looks like.
- oytis 8mo ago
  This is all bad, but the real test will be the next presidential elections and, to a lesser extent, midterms. If you can vote a dictator out, it's not a real dictatorship. And again, I'm not really seeing Europe staying democratic for long after the fall of the USA
  - gizzlon 8mo ago
    > but the real test will be the next presidential elections and, to a lesser extent, midterm Sorry, but that is just extremely naive. Just look at how this usually works. Or look at what the orange fuckhead tried the last time. Now, repeat, but with much more power and influence in all the right places, from government to big tech.
    - oytis 8mo ago
      Sorry, I am not from the USA, but like many people know a lot more about it than I would like - still might be missing some context because of that. I am not sure how it really works - all these people who now support Trump in achieving their goals - why would they want to support him in staying in power indefinitely? Isn't it clear that when there is no democracy, their opinion doesn't matter anymore? It's still very non-obvious to me that US as a whole will let that happen.

by oytis 8mo ago

tzs 8mo ago

For mathematics Europe is an obvious alternative. The US and Europe produce about the same level of high level mathematics research per year.

adgjlsfhk1 8mo ago

Canada and EU are currently far more attractive if not getting kidnapped by the government and sent to an El Salvadorian torture camp is a priority for you.

oytis 8mo ago
How many PhDs have been sent to El Salvador? EU doesn't nearly have the career opportunities as the US, even less so for foreigners. Canada might be slightly better, for its proximity to the US and being an English-speaking country
- direwolf20 8mo ago
  None, because if you have a PhD, you're smart enough not to try it.
  - ainch 8mo ago
    It's definitely >0 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-phd-graduate-b2923946.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
tick_tock_tick 8mo ago
Canada can't even keep their own citizen anyone trying for much of anything comes to the USA same with the EU.

gizzlon 8mo ago

> I's still a long way towards fascism for USA to actually lose its attractiveness Hard disagree. They are on a road to totalitarianism. Unless there's a quite violent change of course, it's just going to get much worse. Have you not seen the president and his people go after: Political opponents, Attorneys, Leaders and workers in the government who dare to disagree, Immigrants and tourists with the wrong opinions, Journalists (because they power and can expose some of the lies and corruption). Have you not seen the Trump family and friends becoming very rich, and giving out contracts to their friends? Have you not seen the government being weaponist against the maga "enemies" ? This is what fascism looks like.

oytis 8mo ago
This is all bad, but the real test will be the next presidential elections and, to a lesser extent, midterms. If you can vote a dictator out, it's not a real dictatorship. And again, I'm not really seeing Europe staying democratic for long after the fall of the USA
- gizzlon 8mo ago
  > but the real test will be the next presidential elections and, to a lesser extent, midterm Sorry, but that is just extremely naive. Just look at how this usually works. Or look at what the orange fuckhead tried the last time. Now, repeat, but with much more power and influence in all the right places, from government to big tech.
  - oytis 8mo ago
    Sorry, I am not from the USA, but like many people know a lot more about it than I would like - still might be missing some context because of that. I am not sure how it really works - all these people who now support Trump in achieving their goals - why would they want to support him in staying in power indefinitely? Isn't it clear that when there is no democracy, their opinion doesn't matter anymore? It's still very non-obvious to me that US as a whole will let that happen.