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They sound like very loyal people who I would love to have as my compatriots.
by ljsprague 8mo ago
They sound like very loyal people who I would love to have as my compatriots.
- Natfan 8mo agothey can't be your compatriots if you imprison them, nor if they've to death due to working without any funding, also know as "pay"
- Natfan 8mo agos/they've to death/they've starved to death/
- kettlecorn 8mo agoMany of the world's most intelligent and caring people are loyal to values over tribe.
- ljsprague 7mo agoValues don't reproduce; tribes do.
- ImPostingOnHN 7mo agotribes don't reproduce; people do.
- AnimalMuppet 7mo agoTribes reproduce as the people who make up the tribe reproduce. Values reproduce as the people who hold them reproduce, plus as others adopt those values, minus as those who hold those values drop them. But the US was supposed to be a country where values mattered more than tribe. "We hold these truths to be self evident", and all that, and if you accepted the values, you belonged. That was an imperfect ideal, but it was the ideal until rather recently. I'm not sure to what degree it still is.
- ljsprague 7mo agoAre we ever allowed to stop being a "values country" and just be a normal one? Or are we at least allowed to change our values? Are we allowed to make that decision for ourselves?
- AnimalMuppet 7mo agoIf you want to change values like "equal rights" and "rule of law", you may be able to do so, but you probably have to amend the constitution to do it.
- ImPostingOnHN 7mo agoA country based on shared values is normal. And we are of course allowed to change that, if that is what the people want, but a minority should not make that decision on behalf of the whole.
- kg 8mo agoLoyalty is earned. They don't owe me or you any loyalty if we mistreat them.
- ljsprague 7mo agoThere's no mistreatment alleged though: the US is bad because it stopped funding their jobs.