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If you own many firearms already, how is a 30 day wait preventing you from bearing them? But yeah, the benefit does mostly arise for first time gun buyers. But

If you own many firearms already, how is a 30 day wait preventing you from bearing them? But yeah, the benefit does mostly arise for first time gun buyers. But that would require a master list of all gun owners. I'd prefer the wait per gun.

15155 8mo ago
"A right delayed is a right denied" (*except when it's a right protected by the Second Amendment, I guess.)
- Hikikomori 8mo ago
  "doesn't matter how many schoolchildren die if I can't buy my weapon right away"
  - 15155 8mo ago
    Which "schoolchildren" died because of a firearm that was purchased inside of a 30 day window? None of the famous massacres would fit this bill; did you have an actual, documented event in mind or just feelings? All of the gun grabbers I am aware of that are in favor of waiting periods try to make this infringement justified based on "crimes of passion" and other "heat-of-the-moment" nonsense - not "schoolchildren."
    - delaminator 8mo ago
      They don't have any evidence because they are appeals to emotion. If you look at the people doing the shooting you get a much better correlation but no-one wants to go there.
      - Hikikomori 8mo ago
        No evidence? Just look at Europe or Australia.
        delaminator 8mo ago
        the places where they put you in prison for tweets ?
        delaminator 8mo ago
        Are you sure it's a gun problem? 2021 - Ethnic minorities represent over 50% of Birmingham’s population - [0] 2022 - Birmingham overtakes London as 'gun capital' of Britain with huge surge in gang violence - [1] [0] https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/birmingham-overtakes-london-gun-capital-30794714 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/birmingham-overtakes-l... [1] https://www.birminghamworld.uk/news/ethnic-minorities-represent-over-50-of-birminghams-population-3935994 https://www.birminghamworld.uk/news/ethnic-minorities-repres...
        Hikikomori 8mo ago
        Are you suggesting its a skin color problem? Going from 0.05 to 0.06 is also a "big surge". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_homicide_rates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r...
        mothballed 8mo ago
        In the US one of the best demographic predictor of homicide rates is skin color. For instance, super white places like New Hampshire with the ~loosest gun laws in the country have extremely low murder rates. If you take a look at say a heat map of the US where homicide is[1], it tracks extremely closely to where the black population is (New Mexico an outlier despite having stronger gun laws than most the surrounding states besides Colorado).[2] [1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Homicide_rates_per_100%2C000_by_state._FBI._US_map.svg/1280px-Homicide_rates_per_100%2C000_by_state._FBI._US_map.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Ho... [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/African_Americans_by_state.svg/960px-African_Americans_by_state.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Af...
    - Hikikomori 8mo ago
      It's just an example, you're refusing any kind of gun regulation, doesn't matter what it is, dead kids is not a factor. Casual gun ownership is the difference. In Europe you can get guns, but you do it for a purpose like hunting or sports, license and training is required.
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tracker1 8mo ago
Would you be okay with a 30 day waiting period for posing a news article, that included strict penalties for misinformation/disinformation? Since you have to wait to publish, you have less reason to get things wrong.
- RoddaWallPro 8mo ago
  A 30 day waiting period on news articles doesn't meaningfully reduce actual suicides. One on guns _does_, without a corresponding harm to the buyer.
  - tracker1 8mo ago
    A 30-day waiting period on news articles _should_ meaningfully reduce misinformation. A lot of lives are ruined by misinformation/leaks in early news articles that are later disproven and those retractions are rarely covered as widely as the original false news. I'm talking about saving people's lives here.

15155 8mo ago

"A right delayed is a right denied" (*except when it's a right protected by the Second Amendment, I guess.)

Hikikomori 8mo ago
"doesn't matter how many schoolchildren die if I can't buy my weapon right away"
- 15155 8mo ago
  Which "schoolchildren" died because of a firearm that was purchased inside of a 30 day window? None of the famous massacres would fit this bill; did you have an actual, documented event in mind or just feelings? All of the gun grabbers I am aware of that are in favor of waiting periods try to make this infringement justified based on "crimes of passion" and other "heat-of-the-moment" nonsense - not "schoolchildren."
  - delaminator 8mo ago
    They don't have any evidence because they are appeals to emotion. If you look at the people doing the shooting you get a much better correlation but no-one wants to go there.
    - Hikikomori 8mo ago
      No evidence? Just look at Europe or Australia.
      - delaminator 8mo ago
        the places where they put you in prison for tweets ?
        delaminator 8mo ago
        Are you sure it's a gun problem? 2021 - Ethnic minorities represent over 50% of Birmingham’s population - [0] 2022 - Birmingham overtakes London as 'gun capital' of Britain with huge surge in gang violence - [1] [0] https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/birmingham-overtakes-london-gun-capital-30794714 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/birmingham-overtakes-l... [1] https://www.birminghamworld.uk/news/ethnic-minorities-represent-over-50-of-birminghams-population-3935994 https://www.birminghamworld.uk/news/ethnic-minorities-repres...
        Hikikomori 8mo ago
        Are you suggesting its a skin color problem? Going from 0.05 to 0.06 is also a "big surge". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_homicide_rates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r...
        mothballed 8mo ago
        In the US one of the best demographic predictor of homicide rates is skin color. For instance, super white places like New Hampshire with the ~loosest gun laws in the country have extremely low murder rates. If you take a look at say a heat map of the US where homicide is[1], it tracks extremely closely to where the black population is (New Mexico an outlier despite having stronger gun laws than most the surrounding states besides Colorado).[2] [1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Homicide_rates_per_100%2C000_by_state._FBI._US_map.svg/1280px-Homicide_rates_per_100%2C000_by_state._FBI._US_map.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Ho... [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/African_Americans_by_state.svg/960px-African_Americans_by_state.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Af...
  - Hikikomori 8mo ago
    It's just an example, you're refusing any kind of gun regulation, doesn't matter what it is, dead kids is not a factor. Casual gun ownership is the difference. In Europe you can get guns, but you do it for a purpose like hunting or sports, license and training is required.

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tracker1 8mo ago

Would you be okay with a 30 day waiting period for posing a news article, that included strict penalties for misinformation/disinformation? Since you have to wait to publish, you have less reason to get things wrong.

RoddaWallPro 8mo ago
A 30 day waiting period on news articles doesn't meaningfully reduce actual suicides. One on guns _does_, without a corresponding harm to the buyer.
- tracker1 8mo ago
  A 30-day waiting period on news articles _should_ meaningfully reduce misinformation. A lot of lives are ruined by misinformation/leaks in early news articles that are later disproven and those retractions are rarely covered as widely as the original false news. I'm talking about saving people's lives here.