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> China or Saudi Arabia can wave their money around, but at least some people will be repulsed by the obligation to keep their mouths shut and praise the Dear L

by mulmen 8mo ago

> China or Saudi Arabia can wave their money around, but at least some people will be repulsed by the obligation to keep their mouths shut and praise the Dear Leader. I mean we are literally putting people in concentration camps right now. Kinda hard to take the moral high ground at the moment. Scientists are fleeing the United States for their safety, just like they did from 1930s Germany.

ethanwillis 8mo ago
Don't get it twisted. While what is happening is not right, explain to me what happens when there is criticism of China from within China on their treatment of Uyghurs.
- mulmen 8mo ago
  The existence of concentration camps in China does not disprove their existence in the United States.
woodpanel 8mo ago
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- tombert 8mo ago
  I’m not sure who told you that the Nazis only killed German citizens, considering that they famously invaded Poland (a sovereign nation at the time) and started executing Jews there. I also don’t know who told you that they’re only putting illegal migrants in Alligator Alcatraz. It’s not hard to find examples of people who had legal visas being rounded up because of the Trump administration’s idiotic quota policy.
  - paulddraper 8mo ago
    And you don't see a difference between detaining visitors versus invading other nations? They are quite literally opposites.
    - tombert 8mo ago
      Of course there’s a difference. I’m not sure I understand your point.
paulddraper 8mo ago
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- dragonwriter 8mo ago
  "Concentration camp” is a term that predates its (somewhat euphemistic, when done in retrospect) use for the camps eventually used in the extermnation campaign by the Nazis (which also started out as concentration camps, in the more usual sense, as part of what was nominally a deportation program.) Though concentration camps are almost always part of systematic, ethnically-targetted abuse, even when they aren't part of genocide campaigns.
  - paulddraper 8mo ago
    Yes. For example, the U.S. also had ethnically-based "concentration camps" (but not extermination camps) during WWII. But these are not like the concentration camps of the 1940s. "Detention camps" are a more accurate descriptor -- both technically and connotatively -- when they are holding foreign nationals prior to repatriation.
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    - mulmen 8mo ago
      I’m having a hard time understanding how the ICE detention facilities do not meet the Wikipedia definition of concentration camp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp. Can you help me out?
      - paulddraper 8mo ago
        Certainly! “A concentration camp is a prison or other facility used for internment” Internment is long-term (see Wikipedia), whereas the ICE detention centers are short-term (average stay < 30 days but depends on time for deportation ).
indiangenz 8mo ago
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by mulmen 8mo ago

ethanwillis 8mo ago

Don't get it twisted. While what is happening is not right, explain to me what happens when there is criticism of China from within China on their treatment of Uyghurs.

mulmen 8mo ago
The existence of concentration camps in China does not disprove their existence in the United States.

woodpanel 8mo ago

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tombert 8mo ago
I’m not sure who told you that the Nazis only killed German citizens, considering that they famously invaded Poland (a sovereign nation at the time) and started executing Jews there. I also don’t know who told you that they’re only putting illegal migrants in Alligator Alcatraz. It’s not hard to find examples of people who had legal visas being rounded up because of the Trump administration’s idiotic quota policy.
- paulddraper 8mo ago
  And you don't see a difference between detaining visitors versus invading other nations? They are quite literally opposites.
  - tombert 8mo ago
    Of course there’s a difference. I’m not sure I understand your point.

paulddraper 8mo ago

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dragonwriter 8mo ago
"Concentration camp” is a term that predates its (somewhat euphemistic, when done in retrospect) use for the camps eventually used in the extermnation campaign by the Nazis (which also started out as concentration camps, in the more usual sense, as part of what was nominally a deportation program.) Though concentration camps are almost always part of systematic, ethnically-targetted abuse, even when they aren't part of genocide campaigns.
- paulddraper 8mo ago
  Yes. For example, the U.S. also had ethnically-based "concentration camps" (but not extermination camps) during WWII. But these are not like the concentration camps of the 1940s. "Detention camps" are a more accurate descriptor -- both technically and connotatively -- when they are holding foreign nationals prior to repatriation.
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  - mulmen 8mo ago
    I’m having a hard time understanding how the ICE detention facilities do not meet the Wikipedia definition of concentration camp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp. Can you help me out?
    - paulddraper 8mo ago
      Certainly! “A concentration camp is a prison or other facility used for internment” Internment is long-term (see Wikipedia), whereas the ICE detention centers are short-term (average stay < 30 days but depends on time for deportation ).

indiangenz 8mo ago

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