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Not without some major breakthrough. What's hilarious is that all these developers building the tools are going to be the first to be without jobs. Their kids w

Not without some major breakthrough. What's hilarious is that all these developers building the tools are going to be the first to be without jobs. Their kids will be ecstatic: "Tell me again, dad, so, you had this awesome and well paying easy job and you wrecked it? Shut up kid, and tuck in that flap, there is too much wind in our cardboard box."

metaltyphoon 9mo ago
I have a feeling they internally say "not me, I won't be replaced" and just keep moving...
- oxag3n 9mo ago
  Or they get FY money and fatFIRE.
  - danny_codes 9mo ago
    Still risky if you have no labor value anymore.
moron4hire 9mo ago
"Well son, we made a lot of shareholder value."
overgard 9mo ago
Couldn't agree more, isn't that the bizarre thing? "We have this great intellectually challenging job where we as workers have leverage. How can we completely ruin that while also screwing up every other white collar profession"
- entrox 9mo ago
  Why is it bizarre? It is inevitable. After all, AI has not ruined creative professions, it merely disrupted and transformed them. And yes, I fully understand my whole comment here being snarky, but please bear with me. Let's rewind 4 years to this HN article titled "The AI Art Apocalypse": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32486133 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32486133 and read some of the comments. > Actually all progress will definitely will have a huge impact on a lot of lives—otherwise it is not progress. By definition it will impact many, by displacing those who were doing it the old way by doing it better and faster. The trouble is when people hold back progress just to prevent the impact. No one should be disagreeing that the impact shouldn't be prevented, but it should not be at the cost of progress. Now it's the software engineers turn to not hold back progress. Or this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34541693 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34541693 > [...] At the same time, a part of me feels art has no place being motivated by money anyway. Perhaps this change will restore the balance. Artists will need to get real jobs again like the rest of us and fund their art as a side project. Replace "Artists" with "Coders" and imagine a plumber writing that comment. Maybe this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34856326 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34856326 > [...] Artists will still exist, but most likely as hybrid 3d-modellers, AI modelers (Not full programmers, but able to fine-tune models with online guides and setups, can read basic python), and storytellers (like manga artists). It'll be a higher-pay, higher-prestige, higher-skill-requirement job than before. And all those artists who devoted their lives to draw better, find this to be an incredibly brutal adjustment. Again, replace "Artists" with coders and fill in the replacement. So, please get in line and adapt. And stop clinging to your "great intellectually challenging job" because you are holding back progress. It can't be that challenging if it can be handled by a machine anyway.
  - tovej 9mo ago
    The premise of those comments, just like the premise in this thread, is ridiculous and fantastical. The only way generative AI has changed the creative arts is that it's made it easier to produce low quality slop. I would not call that a true transformation. I'd call that saving costs at the expense of quality. The same is true of software. The difference is, unlike art, quality in software has very clear safety and security implications. This gen AI hype is just the crypto hype all over again but with a sci-fi twist in the narrative. It's a worse form of work just like crypto was a worse form of money.
    - entrox 9mo ago
      I do not disagree, in fact I'm feeling more and more Butlerian with every passing day. However, it is undeniable that a transformation is taking place -- just not necessarily to the better.
    - topocite 9mo ago
      I just don't understand this line of thinking. Gen AI is the opposite of crypto. The use is immediate, obvious and needs no explanation or philosophizing. You are basically showing your hand that you have zero intellectual curiosity or you are delusional in your own ability if you have never learned anything from gen AI.
      - tovej 9mo ago
        I play with generative AI quite often. Mostly for shits and giggles. It's fun to try to make it hallucinate in the dumbest way possible. Or to make up context. E.g. try to make any image generating model take an existing photo of a humanoid and change it so the character does a backflip. It's also interesting to generate images in a long loop, because it usually reveals interesting patterns in the training data. Outside these distractions I've never had generative AI be useful. And I'm currently working in AI research.
    - mattmanser 9mo ago
      I still can't get over how bad the coca cola AI generated Xmas advert was. That someone approved it for release too boggles my mind. And, bizarrely, I've really not bought any since. It's diminished my desire for the brand.
arcxi 9mo ago
Is it the first time when workers directly work on their own replacement? If so, software developer may go down in history as the dumbest profession ever.
rXwubXUGAm 9mo ago
I'm assuming they all have enough equity that if they actually managed to build an AI capable of replacing themselves they'll be financially set for the rest of their lives.

metaltyphoon 9mo ago

I have a feeling they internally say "not me, I won't be replaced" and just keep moving...

oxag3n 9mo ago
Or they get FY money and fatFIRE.
- danny_codes 9mo ago
  Still risky if you have no labor value anymore.

moron4hire 9mo ago

"Well son, we made a lot of shareholder value."

overgard 9mo ago

Couldn't agree more, isn't that the bizarre thing? "We have this great intellectually challenging job where we as workers have leverage. How can we completely ruin that while also screwing up every other white collar profession"

entrox 9mo ago
Why is it bizarre? It is inevitable. After all, AI has not ruined creative professions, it merely disrupted and transformed them. And yes, I fully understand my whole comment here being snarky, but please bear with me. Let's rewind 4 years to this HN article titled "The AI Art Apocalypse": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32486133 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32486133 and read some of the comments. > Actually all progress will definitely will have a huge impact on a lot of lives—otherwise it is not progress. By definition it will impact many, by displacing those who were doing it the old way by doing it better and faster. The trouble is when people hold back progress just to prevent the impact. No one should be disagreeing that the impact shouldn't be prevented, but it should not be at the cost of progress. Now it's the software engineers turn to not hold back progress. Or this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34541693 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34541693 > [...] At the same time, a part of me feels art has no place being motivated by money anyway. Perhaps this change will restore the balance. Artists will need to get real jobs again like the rest of us and fund their art as a side project. Replace "Artists" with "Coders" and imagine a plumber writing that comment. Maybe this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34856326 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34856326 > [...] Artists will still exist, but most likely as hybrid 3d-modellers, AI modelers (Not full programmers, but able to fine-tune models with online guides and setups, can read basic python), and storytellers (like manga artists). It'll be a higher-pay, higher-prestige, higher-skill-requirement job than before. And all those artists who devoted their lives to draw better, find this to be an incredibly brutal adjustment. Again, replace "Artists" with coders and fill in the replacement. So, please get in line and adapt. And stop clinging to your "great intellectually challenging job" because you are holding back progress. It can't be that challenging if it can be handled by a machine anyway.
- tovej 9mo ago
  The premise of those comments, just like the premise in this thread, is ridiculous and fantastical. The only way generative AI has changed the creative arts is that it's made it easier to produce low quality slop. I would not call that a true transformation. I'd call that saving costs at the expense of quality. The same is true of software. The difference is, unlike art, quality in software has very clear safety and security implications. This gen AI hype is just the crypto hype all over again but with a sci-fi twist in the narrative. It's a worse form of work just like crypto was a worse form of money.
  - entrox 9mo ago
    I do not disagree, in fact I'm feeling more and more Butlerian with every passing day. However, it is undeniable that a transformation is taking place -- just not necessarily to the better.
  - topocite 9mo ago
    I just don't understand this line of thinking. Gen AI is the opposite of crypto. The use is immediate, obvious and needs no explanation or philosophizing. You are basically showing your hand that you have zero intellectual curiosity or you are delusional in your own ability if you have never learned anything from gen AI.
    - tovej 9mo ago
      I play with generative AI quite often. Mostly for shits and giggles. It's fun to try to make it hallucinate in the dumbest way possible. Or to make up context. E.g. try to make any image generating model take an existing photo of a humanoid and change it so the character does a backflip. It's also interesting to generate images in a long loop, because it usually reveals interesting patterns in the training data. Outside these distractions I've never had generative AI be useful. And I'm currently working in AI research.
  - mattmanser 9mo ago
    I still can't get over how bad the coca cola AI generated Xmas advert was. That someone approved it for release too boggles my mind. And, bizarrely, I've really not bought any since. It's diminished my desire for the brand.

arcxi 9mo ago

Is it the first time when workers directly work on their own replacement? If so, software developer may go down in history as the dumbest profession ever.

rXwubXUGAm 9mo ago

I'm assuming they all have enough equity that if they actually managed to build an AI capable of replacing themselves they'll be financially set for the rest of their lives.