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India and China are doing just that. How are they doing that, you ask? Switching to coal ... India's adding 80GW of coal, and China having 95GW planned and bui

by spwa4 9mo ago

India and China are doing just that. How are they doing that, you ask? Switching to coal ... India's adding 80GW of coal, and China having 95GW planned and building.

bryanlarsen 9mo ago
India added 9GW of coal and 40GW of solar. China added 91GW of coal and 315GW of solar. They're getting most of their new power from solar and running coal only at night.
- spwa4 9mo ago
  I don't understand your argument. You agree they're increasing coal use? Besides, anyone wanting to know the state of coal use just needs to go to Youtube, search "Bejing" or "Delhi" air quality and ample evidence of what's happening and the effects will come forward in 1000 different voices.
  - bryanlarsen 9mo ago
    A comparison of Beijing air quality between 2020 and 2025 will show drastic differences -- it's gotten much better. China's coal usage is relatively flat. They've increased their capacity, but they've been decreasing their capacity factor (aka what percentage of the time the plants are running) at approximately the same rate. They used to run their plants 24/7. Now they run only at night. They've started adding batteries to the grid so in the future the coal plants will only run after a stretch of cloudy days.
    - spwa4 9mo ago
      The data I'm finding says that it's still increasing, especially in India. They expect it to start dropping in 2028-2030 due to the buildouts you're mentioning but for now that isn't happening. Claim is that it's about strategic safety for both countries. Coal is easy, and they have plenty of it (unlike oil, which neither have in any quantity).
      - bryanlarsen 9mo ago
        They're doing both solar and coal because of security. They're doing 5X as much solar than they are of coal because solar is cheaper. They're doing the coal because the need something for the night. But now that batteries are becoming cheaper than coal for that, they'll do more batteries and less coal.

by spwa4 9mo ago

India and China are doing just that. How are they doing that, you ask? Switching to coal ... India's adding 80GW of coal, and China having 95GW planned and building.

bryanlarsen 9mo ago

India added 9GW of coal and 40GW of solar. China added 91GW of coal and 315GW of solar. They're getting most of their new power from solar and running coal only at night.

spwa4 9mo ago
I don't understand your argument. You agree they're increasing coal use? Besides, anyone wanting to know the state of coal use just needs to go to Youtube, search "Bejing" or "Delhi" air quality and ample evidence of what's happening and the effects will come forward in 1000 different voices.
- bryanlarsen 9mo ago
  A comparison of Beijing air quality between 2020 and 2025 will show drastic differences -- it's gotten much better. China's coal usage is relatively flat. They've increased their capacity, but they've been decreasing their capacity factor (aka what percentage of the time the plants are running) at approximately the same rate. They used to run their plants 24/7. Now they run only at night. They've started adding batteries to the grid so in the future the coal plants will only run after a stretch of cloudy days.
  - spwa4 9mo ago
    The data I'm finding says that it's still increasing, especially in India. They expect it to start dropping in 2028-2030 due to the buildouts you're mentioning but for now that isn't happening. Claim is that it's about strategic safety for both countries. Coal is easy, and they have plenty of it (unlike oil, which neither have in any quantity).
    - bryanlarsen 9mo ago
      They're doing both solar and coal because of security. They're doing 5X as much solar than they are of coal because solar is cheaper. They're doing the coal because the need something for the night. But now that batteries are becoming cheaper than coal for that, they'll do more batteries and less coal.