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This is the correct way to handle a former president who tries to mount an anti-democratic insurrection.
by loudmax 8mo ago
This is the correct way to handle a former president who tries to mount an anti-democratic insurrection.
- petre 8mo agoHe'll eventually get pardoned like presideng Park and the Samsung crown prince, Lee Jae-yong. But he'll probably do 10 or 15 years anyway.
- toomuchtodo 8mo agoHe's 65, so that might be long enough to be for life (based on life expectancy).
- PearlRiver 8mo agoThere is a difference between corruption and treason. I am against the death penalty but in this case the man should have been shot. Just like the Netherlands and Norway did away with their traitors after WW2. A line has to be drawn somewhere.
- somenameforme 8mo agoIt also illustrates what a real insurrection attempt looks like. [1] He declared martial law, suspended and prevented their Congress equivalent from meeting (and directed the military to enforce such), ordered the immediate arrest of numerous high level politicians with a goal of arresting hundreds, issued a declaration that all media and publications had to be approved before publication, ordered the power+water for a news broadcaster be cut, and much more. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_South_Korean_martial_law_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_South_Korean_martial_law_...
- ThrowawayTestr 8mo ago[flagged]
- collingreen 8mo agoA few tweets! Lololololololololololololololol
- koakuma-chan 8mo agoHow did they stop him?
- throw-the-towel 8mo agoEnough members of the National Assembly managed to bypass the military blockade, get into the building, and vote to reject martial law. (Some had to climb over the fence to get in.) Here's a news article from that time: https://m.koreaherald.com/article/10012328 https://m.koreaherald.com/article/10012328
- notahacker 8mo agoSome of the orders weren't carried out, others were carried out loosely so armed forces were occupying their Congress but they didn't actually stop members from being in the building and voting down the martial law. If we're doing the Trump comparison, an obvious difference is that Trump already knew the military wouldn't intervene to take sides on who got certified as the winner (they'd actually taken the unprecedented step of issuing a statement to that effect) and had reason to believe some of his supporters would give it a go...
- hnlmorg 8mo agoI’m not suggesting things are as bad as a full on insurrection. But it’s not a great leap of imagination to compare the two either. > He declared martial law Trump has sent federal troops into states that voted against him. He’s also frequently talked about “the enemy from within” to describe American citizens. And then there’s ICE… > suspended and prevented their Congress equivalent from meeting Trump has shut down the government twice already. The press just like to blame Democrats despite the fact that it’s the Republicans who are refusing to negotiate. > ordered the immediate arrest of numerous high level politicians with a goal of arresting hundreds, To be fair, Trump hasn’t gone that far (yet). But he has fired lots of people from government roles that should have been non-partisan and filled them with his own loyal supporters. Even when those people are clearly not qualified to be doing their new found appointments. He’s also freed lots of criminals because they either supported him, or paid him. > issued a declaration that all media and publications had to be approved before publication Trump has been removing press from the White House and replacing them with publications that support him. > ordered the power+water for a news broadcaster be cut Trump hasn’t done that either. But he has sent the FCC to shutdown shows he dislikes. And sued the others into compliance.
- ericmcer 8mo agoThe overreach of executive powers is very concerning, but those are more long term attempts to influence the public and policy makers through shady tactics. The insurrection everyone is referring to is definitely Jan 6th, which it is laughable to compare to an actual insurrection attempt. A few thousand unarmed people waving signs and wearing costumes break into government buildings and take selfies? What would the next steps be that would end in them overthrowing elected leaders?
- woodruffw 8mo agoI think the thing that puts J6 in the "definitely an insurrection attempt" category is the fact that it happened while Congress was exercising its duty to formalize the electoral college vote. We don't have to reach for statistics about how many were armed or wearing costumes (a fact that seems immaterial in any case); the question is sufficiently answered by what they were attempting to stop.
- wk_end 8mo agoJust to be clear, ordering a violent mob thousands strong to march on the capitol and "fight like hell" to interfere with the peaceful transition of power is also what a real insurrection attempt looks like.
- junofan 8mo agoInnocent until proven guilty.
- wk_end 8mo agoLegally, yes. But everything was well-documented and publicized. As sentient creatures we can use our own eyes, ears, and judgement to come to our own conclusions in advance or lieu of a formal court ruling.
- mjhay 8mo agoI suggest you re-read the Constitution. The First Amendment protects people from any negative repercussions whatsoever resulting from their free exercise of certain kinds of speech.
- blibble 8mo agodon't worry, I suspect there will be a 2nd attempt on Jan 6th 2029
- plagiarist 8mo agoI doubt it. Reichstag fire by Q2 2028.
- insane_dreamer 8mo agoMore like Nov 2026
- throwawayq3423 8mo agoA failed and poorly executed insurrection attempt is still an insurrection attempt. People go to prison for attempted murder every day.
- jibal 8mo ago> It also illustrates what a real insurrection attempt looks like. What did you say elsewhere about "good faith"? J6 was a real insurrection attempt.
- tcgv 8mo agoOne thing worth pointing out is that by the time Yoon Suk Yeol declared martial law on December 3, 2024, he was already one of the most unpopular presidents in South Korean history. After that his ratings declined even further. This makes for a much smoother enforcement of the law to make him accountable for his actions.
- raptor99 8mo agoI would also say that this is the correct way to handle a former president that was elected as the result of a rigged election.