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It is really easy to "Fuck it up" when greedy assholes jack up the price of necessities like food, shelter, and medical care. 66% of bankruptcies are due to med

by foxyv 8mo ago

It is really easy to "Fuck it up" when greedy assholes jack up the price of necessities like food, shelter, and medical care. 66% of bankruptcies are due to medical costs. We should just socialize necessities like food, shelter, and medical care so there is no chance of "Fucking it up." That would cover the possibility of disability as well. It sounds to me like we have built a system to exploit people as much as possible. Treating them like farm animals.

lotsofpulp 8mo ago
>We should just socialize necessities like food, shelter, and medical care so there is no chance of "Fucking it up." How does socializing work if there are insufficient workers relative to non workers? I.e. the supply of food/shelter/medical care is insufficient to meet the demand?
- foxyv 8mo ago
  Why would there be insufficient workers relative to non-workers? Socializing health care, shelter, and food does not lead to a worker shortage. In fact, having a healthier and taken care of population leads to prosperity in general. In addition, it leads to reduced costs. Countries with socialized medicine pay a fraction of what America does for better health outcomes.
  - lotsofpulp 8mo ago
    >Why would there be insufficient workers relative to non-workers? The total fertility rate and the trends of that rate of basically every country, especially the ones with socialized medicine. https://www.populationpyramid.net/norway/2025/ https://www.populationpyramid.net/norway/2025/
    - foxyv 8mo ago
      Fertility rates? The world population is growing.
raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
Yes let’s have “5 Year Plans” with centralized control instead of the free market, what could possibly go wrong? If only we had a large country that tried that and failed miserably to see what could go wrong.
- foxyv 8mo ago
  Or, hear me out, we could socialize health care and tax the rich rapists that are currently running the country to end poverty in the richest country in the world.
- krapp 8mo ago
  We don't have the free market. We've never had the free market. Every economy has always been under some degree of regulation and centralized control simply by virtue of existing within the context of a society and government that enforces laws and levies taxes.
  - raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
    The government has never controlled the means of production for the most part except for “natural monopolies” like utilities, cable etc where everyone should be served and it doesn’t make sense to try to have two companies building out infrastructure
    - paulryanrogers 8mo ago
      For some narrow definitions of 'control', and ignoring regulatory capture
    - foxyv 8mo ago
      They don't need to control the means of production. Simply provide minimum necessary housing, nutrition, and medical care. No one should starve to death, die of preventable illness because they can't afford care, or end up homeless in the United States. It's degrading to the basic dignity of our country.

by foxyv 8mo ago

lotsofpulp 8mo ago

>We should just socialize necessities like food, shelter, and medical care so there is no chance of "Fucking it up." How does socializing work if there are insufficient workers relative to non workers? I.e. the supply of food/shelter/medical care is insufficient to meet the demand?

foxyv 8mo ago
Why would there be insufficient workers relative to non-workers? Socializing health care, shelter, and food does not lead to a worker shortage. In fact, having a healthier and taken care of population leads to prosperity in general. In addition, it leads to reduced costs. Countries with socialized medicine pay a fraction of what America does for better health outcomes.
- lotsofpulp 8mo ago
  >Why would there be insufficient workers relative to non-workers? The total fertility rate and the trends of that rate of basically every country, especially the ones with socialized medicine. https://www.populationpyramid.net/norway/2025/ https://www.populationpyramid.net/norway/2025/
  - foxyv 8mo ago
    Fertility rates? The world population is growing.

raw_anon_1111 8mo ago

Yes let’s have “5 Year Plans” with centralized control instead of the free market, what could possibly go wrong? If only we had a large country that tried that and failed miserably to see what could go wrong.

foxyv 8mo ago
Or, hear me out, we could socialize health care and tax the rich rapists that are currently running the country to end poverty in the richest country in the world.
krapp 8mo ago
We don't have the free market. We've never had the free market. Every economy has always been under some degree of regulation and centralized control simply by virtue of existing within the context of a society and government that enforces laws and levies taxes.
- raw_anon_1111 8mo ago
  The government has never controlled the means of production for the most part except for “natural monopolies” like utilities, cable etc where everyone should be served and it doesn’t make sense to try to have two companies building out infrastructure
  - paulryanrogers 8mo ago
    For some narrow definitions of 'control', and ignoring regulatory capture
  - foxyv 8mo ago
    They don't need to control the means of production. Simply provide minimum necessary housing, nutrition, and medical care. No one should starve to death, die of preventable illness because they can't afford care, or end up homeless in the United States. It's degrading to the basic dignity of our country.