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I think/hope the whole "home manager" category is going to take off soon. On a cost basis, it no longer makes sense--practically--not to use visual/text/audio

I think/hope the whole "home manager" category is going to take off soon. On a cost basis, it no longer makes sense--practically--not to use visual/text/audio intelligence to manage such a large asset. We just don't have the user-friendly mass-market interfaces for it just yet. It's possible to scan every manual, every insurance policy, ingest every local bylaw. It's possible to take a video of your home and transform it into a semantically segmented Gsplat of [nearly] everything you own. It's possible to do sensor fusion of all the outward facing cameras from your home. And obviously agents like OpenClaw can decide what to do with all of this (inventory, security, optimization, etc).

embedding-shape 8mo ago
> It's possible to do sensor fusion of all the outward facing cameras from your home Is that legal though? I'm guessing it the US it might be, given the amount of cameras of public places you can see in various communities, but wonder how common that is. Where I live (Spain) it's not legal to just stick a camera on your house and record public places, you need to put the camera in a way so you're only filming your private property or similar.
- matthewfcarlson 8mo ago
  The US gives you no expectation of privacy in public places and private property is generally do what you want. It gets murkier if your cameras are pointed at other private property (your neighbors). Not a legal expert just what I’ve heard.
  - thfuran 8mo ago
    As I understand it (which probably isn’t well), expectation of privacy on private spaces in the US gets pretty wonky. Like being in plain view on a front lawn wouldn’t have expectation of privacy but being behind a fence would even if the fence doesn’t do a good job of blocking sight lines.
- subscribed 8mo ago
  I've got several cameras outside my house, but these recording 24/7 are adjusted to capture my property only (garden, front drive, entrances etc) That's legal. If someone gets recorded that's because they left the public land and entered mine.
  - embedding-shape 8mo ago
    > That's legal. That makes sense, you're not actually recording public spaces, that'd be legal here too. "all the outward facing cameras from your home" makes it sound like that's including public spaces though, but maybe I'm just reading it too strictly.
    - subscribed 8mo ago
      I think I didn't phrase them enough. Tey're _facing_ the public spaces (pavement, street) or neighbours (other gardens) but they're tilted or masked that way, they simply don't capture anyone unless they stray onto my property.
homarp 8mo ago
I call this the "Home Resource Planner" Bricks are there (Home assistant, Frigate, Pihole,...)
candiddevmike 8mo ago
We've been building https://homechart.app https://homechart.app for years (without GenAI...) and folks just don't realize that home managers exist as an app. They're too used to single purpose solutions, so they don't think to look for more comprehensive options. There's also the inherit struggle of being everything for everyone with an app like this, and focusing on features 80% of your users want and leaving the other 20% niche features on the backlog upsets people, mostly the power users.
- rocketpastsix 8mo ago
  I checked out HomeChart, and boy howdy it feels like its doing way too much.
  - candiddevmike 8mo ago
    Thank you for ironically proving my point, I guess. The main value add here is everything is integrated into one app. I always wonder if folks said the same thing when Salesforce or SAP were created. Anyways we document our reasoning here: https://homechart.app/docs/explanations/architecture/#separation-of-concerns https://homechart.app/docs/explanations/architecture/#separa...
    - relaxing 8mo ago
      People say that about Salesforce and SAP now…
    - lanyard-textile 8mo ago
      Kindly -- I think this is a symptom of the larger issue, right? You shouldn't need a document to help persuade the consumer (or the more technically inclined ones anyway). That magic should just be self evident. We don't need a document to understand why the iPhone was a hit, right? Doesn't matter if you have the greatest app in the world. If it overwhelms the user on first use, it's simply not going to be used. I agree at first glance it is overwhelming unfortunately.
erader 8mo ago
I've been working on something like this the last few months specifically around service quote analysis (repairs, construction, hvac, auto, etc.) and it's really cool. I think LLM analysis is the way to go because the amount of complexity is absolutely staggering - just to start the difference in quality and information available on a quote is drastically different between vendors within the SAME vertical. Then to do actual do analysis on local laws, the details of your property (not just photos/videos, but zoning and lot details), vendor analysis, etc. On top of it all, the most important thing to consider is intent -> An emergency plumbing visit is often very different than a proactive upgrade. edit: spelling
- order-matters 8mo ago
  how do you handle the LLM hallucinations in analysis? I like it for data extraction but i never trust it to analyze anything
  - erader 8mo ago
    First, I've spent a ton of time becoming opinionated about a normalized data model that supports the product experience I'm trying to build. This applies both to the extraction (line items, warranty sections, vendors, etc.) and the analysis portion. The latter is imperfect, but aligns philosophically with what I'm willing to stand behind. For example - building outputs for price fairness (based on publicly available labor data) - scope match (is vendor over/under scoping user's intent) - risk (vendor risk, timeline, price variability, etc.) - value (some combination of price, service, longevity, etc.) I don't get much hallucinations in my testing, but overall it's pretty complex pipeline since it is broken down into so many steps.
    - order-matters 8mo ago
      i work in cost and pricing, and while i see the allure of AI helping out with it and I would love to be able to hand it over and work on other things, i feel like so much of this work involves things outside the sandbox. Take price fairness, for example. i feel like the human part is core to this work. it ultimately all comes down to a test of reasonableness. A wide brush for costs is sometimes used because it keeps things trackable by the humans involved. An AI is able to generate an amount of work thats unreasonable to verify. At the end of the day, pricing is a negotiation not a logic puzzle. If it does work though, i think it could open a huge door for Cost Plus Fixed Fee contracts which seem like the fairest contract type but often come with too much burden of paper work compared to the more popular firm fixed price option
stillforest 8mo ago
I’ve built https://manor.app https://manor.app with the intention of it fitting the “user-friendly mass-market interface” you suggest. It’s essentially a “second brain” app for your home(s), covering inventory, documents, tasks/reminders, notes, etc. The inspiration is tools like Asana, Linear, etc I used in my career as a software engineer, tailored for the home. It’s my sole area of focus, with more document retrieval and analysis (and UI polish) on the way.
- mrchumbastic 8mo ago
  This might be a personal preference, but I think you should put the demo (either a gif, video, or the button) front and center on your landing page. I was about to leave until I saw the demo option at the bottom, then almost left again until I noticed the demo persona that I could test without a login. Once I got into the demo I was hooked. Clean design and intuitive UI that shows me everything I'd be looking for in this type of app. So many landing pages just explain things with text then jump straight to a signup or pricing page, but what I want to know at a glance is what does your app do. Again, might be a personal preference and I don't know how well this fits with the "call to action" rules people normally have for landing pages, but I typically ignore any site that can't show me what it does before it asks me to give information.
korse 8mo ago
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sourcegrift 8mo ago
Grocey

embedding-shape 8mo ago

> It's possible to do sensor fusion of all the outward facing cameras from your home Is that legal though? I'm guessing it the US it might be, given the amount of cameras of public places you can see in various communities, but wonder how common that is. Where I live (Spain) it's not legal to just stick a camera on your house and record public places, you need to put the camera in a way so you're only filming your private property or similar.

matthewfcarlson 8mo ago
The US gives you no expectation of privacy in public places and private property is generally do what you want. It gets murkier if your cameras are pointed at other private property (your neighbors). Not a legal expert just what I’ve heard.
- thfuran 8mo ago
  As I understand it (which probably isn’t well), expectation of privacy on private spaces in the US gets pretty wonky. Like being in plain view on a front lawn wouldn’t have expectation of privacy but being behind a fence would even if the fence doesn’t do a good job of blocking sight lines.
subscribed 8mo ago
I've got several cameras outside my house, but these recording 24/7 are adjusted to capture my property only (garden, front drive, entrances etc) That's legal. If someone gets recorded that's because they left the public land and entered mine.
- embedding-shape 8mo ago
  > That's legal. That makes sense, you're not actually recording public spaces, that'd be legal here too. "all the outward facing cameras from your home" makes it sound like that's including public spaces though, but maybe I'm just reading it too strictly.
  - subscribed 8mo ago
    I think I didn't phrase them enough. Tey're _facing_ the public spaces (pavement, street) or neighbours (other gardens) but they're tilted or masked that way, they simply don't capture anyone unless they stray onto my property.

homarp 8mo ago

I call this the "Home Resource Planner" Bricks are there (Home assistant, Frigate, Pihole,...)

candiddevmike 8mo ago

We've been building https://homechart.app https://homechart.app for years (without GenAI...) and folks just don't realize that home managers exist as an app. They're too used to single purpose solutions, so they don't think to look for more comprehensive options. There's also the inherit struggle of being everything for everyone with an app like this, and focusing on features 80% of your users want and leaving the other 20% niche features on the backlog upsets people, mostly the power users.

rocketpastsix 8mo ago
I checked out HomeChart, and boy howdy it feels like its doing way too much.
- candiddevmike 8mo ago
  Thank you for ironically proving my point, I guess. The main value add here is everything is integrated into one app. I always wonder if folks said the same thing when Salesforce or SAP were created. Anyways we document our reasoning here: https://homechart.app/docs/explanations/architecture/#separation-of-concerns https://homechart.app/docs/explanations/architecture/#separa...
  - relaxing 8mo ago
    People say that about Salesforce and SAP now…
  - lanyard-textile 8mo ago
    Kindly -- I think this is a symptom of the larger issue, right? You shouldn't need a document to help persuade the consumer (or the more technically inclined ones anyway). That magic should just be self evident. We don't need a document to understand why the iPhone was a hit, right? Doesn't matter if you have the greatest app in the world. If it overwhelms the user on first use, it's simply not going to be used. I agree at first glance it is overwhelming unfortunately.

erader 8mo ago

I've been working on something like this the last few months specifically around service quote analysis (repairs, construction, hvac, auto, etc.) and it's really cool. I think LLM analysis is the way to go because the amount of complexity is absolutely staggering - just to start the difference in quality and information available on a quote is drastically different between vendors within the SAME vertical. Then to do actual do analysis on local laws, the details of your property (not just photos/videos, but zoning and lot details), vendor analysis, etc. On top of it all, the most important thing to consider is intent -> An emergency plumbing visit is often very different than a proactive upgrade. edit: spelling

order-matters 8mo ago
how do you handle the LLM hallucinations in analysis? I like it for data extraction but i never trust it to analyze anything
- erader 8mo ago
  First, I've spent a ton of time becoming opinionated about a normalized data model that supports the product experience I'm trying to build. This applies both to the extraction (line items, warranty sections, vendors, etc.) and the analysis portion. The latter is imperfect, but aligns philosophically with what I'm willing to stand behind. For example - building outputs for price fairness (based on publicly available labor data) - scope match (is vendor over/under scoping user's intent) - risk (vendor risk, timeline, price variability, etc.) - value (some combination of price, service, longevity, etc.) I don't get much hallucinations in my testing, but overall it's pretty complex pipeline since it is broken down into so many steps.
  - order-matters 8mo ago
    i work in cost and pricing, and while i see the allure of AI helping out with it and I would love to be able to hand it over and work on other things, i feel like so much of this work involves things outside the sandbox. Take price fairness, for example. i feel like the human part is core to this work. it ultimately all comes down to a test of reasonableness. A wide brush for costs is sometimes used because it keeps things trackable by the humans involved. An AI is able to generate an amount of work thats unreasonable to verify. At the end of the day, pricing is a negotiation not a logic puzzle. If it does work though, i think it could open a huge door for Cost Plus Fixed Fee contracts which seem like the fairest contract type but often come with too much burden of paper work compared to the more popular firm fixed price option

stillforest 8mo ago

I’ve built https://manor.app https://manor.app with the intention of it fitting the “user-friendly mass-market interface” you suggest. It’s essentially a “second brain” app for your home(s), covering inventory, documents, tasks/reminders, notes, etc. The inspiration is tools like Asana, Linear, etc I used in my career as a software engineer, tailored for the home. It’s my sole area of focus, with more document retrieval and analysis (and UI polish) on the way.

mrchumbastic 8mo ago
This might be a personal preference, but I think you should put the demo (either a gif, video, or the button) front and center on your landing page. I was about to leave until I saw the demo option at the bottom, then almost left again until I noticed the demo persona that I could test without a login. Once I got into the demo I was hooked. Clean design and intuitive UI that shows me everything I'd be looking for in this type of app. So many landing pages just explain things with text then jump straight to a signup or pricing page, but what I want to know at a glance is what does your app do. Again, might be a personal preference and I don't know how well this fits with the "call to action" rules people normally have for landing pages, but I typically ignore any site that can't show me what it does before it asks me to give information.

korse 8mo ago

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sourcegrift 8mo ago

Grocey