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There used to be county lines drug dealing outside my house. County lines drug dealing is where organised gangs in London send people out to deal drugs in smal

by sjducb 8mo ago

There used to be county lines drug dealing outside my house. County lines drug dealing is where organised gangs in London send people out to deal drugs in small towns outside London. It’s obvious because of the race of the people involved. 2 years ago the police did a massive crackdown and the county lines drug dealers disappeared. County lines drug dealers haven’t come back and now there is no obvious public drug dealing in my neighbourhood. The police do a difficult job and they are fantastic at it. https://news.npcc.police.uk/releases/over-1-800-arrested-with-245-drug-lines-shutdown-during-crackdown-targeting-county-line-drug-dealers-and-1-600-people-safeguarded https://news.npcc.police.uk/releases/over-1-800-arrested-wit...

davidguetta 8mo ago
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- unsnap_biceps 8mo ago
  I'm traditionally conservative and have many law enforcement in my extended family. Law enforcement is very required for society, but it's a blunt tool. There are classes of crime that will not be reduced no matter how many people you put in jail. Mental health and addiction issues (often they go hand in hand) really should be solved differently than just jail time. My small town has a swat team and two bear cats. They've never been used outside of training. They're very likely never going to be used outside of training. This is a ton of money that the police justified by "If we don't spend it, we lose it". That's not fiscally responsible and it's something as a conservative we do need to push back on and some of that involves defunding the police's overly excessive budgets and reducing taxes or at least reallocating it towards other social programs that will help beyond just locking people up.
  - sjducb 8mo ago
    Agreed that sounds like wasteful spending. When that SWAT team finally gets a callout they’re going to go hard and use excessive force. The US spends 135 billion on its police force so some wasteful spending is going to happen. Defund the police people would spend that money on something unrelated to law enforcement. I would spend it on something useful and law enforcement related like more training for officers.
robtherobber 8mo ago
> It’s obvious because of the race of the people involved. I think I know what you're saying. You're saying that non-white people are trouble, aren't you? I mean, why wouldn't such a thing be considered a fact and why wouldn't it be obvious? You said it, so it became a fact and also it became obvious.
- sjducb 8mo ago
  I know they’re drug dealers because they tried to sell me drugs. The English countryside is over 95% white. It’s obvious when organised violent gangs consisting entirely of people of color from London take over and start selling drugs. The police put a stop to it and we are all very grateful.
  - robtherobber 8mo ago
    You don't know they are drug dealers, because not all of them tried to sell you drugs, did they? That's a ridiculous statement. You know that some of them tried to do that. Even so, the fact that they were not white had little to do with it, so it was not obvious by any measure. > when organised violent gangs consisting entirely of people of color from London take over In what respect did they take over? And how can you tell that they were all selling drugs? Maybe some were there as tourists, maybe some were visiting family etc. You make some racist assumptions without evidence that I believe should be called out because you're hell-bent on proving something that may not actually be supported by evidence. You, my dear colleague, are fabulating. Not only that the National Police Chiefs' Council County Lines STRA (FY Apr 2024 to Mar 2025) reports that 63.6% of recorded individuals involved are White (with 22.9% Black, 11.6% Asian, 1.8% Other)[0], but "county lines" narrative is routinely racialised and can amplify stereotypes [1], like you appear to do with your comment. [0] https://www.npcc.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/publications/publications-log/national-crime-coordination-committee/2024/county-lines-strategic-threat-assessment-2025_web_accessible.pdf https://www.npcc.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/pub... [1] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/03063968231201325 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/03063968231201325
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by sjducb 8mo ago

davidguetta 8mo ago

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unsnap_biceps 8mo ago
I'm traditionally conservative and have many law enforcement in my extended family. Law enforcement is very required for society, but it's a blunt tool. There are classes of crime that will not be reduced no matter how many people you put in jail. Mental health and addiction issues (often they go hand in hand) really should be solved differently than just jail time. My small town has a swat team and two bear cats. They've never been used outside of training. They're very likely never going to be used outside of training. This is a ton of money that the police justified by "If we don't spend it, we lose it". That's not fiscally responsible and it's something as a conservative we do need to push back on and some of that involves defunding the police's overly excessive budgets and reducing taxes or at least reallocating it towards other social programs that will help beyond just locking people up.
- sjducb 8mo ago
  Agreed that sounds like wasteful spending. When that SWAT team finally gets a callout they’re going to go hard and use excessive force. The US spends 135 billion on its police force so some wasteful spending is going to happen. Defund the police people would spend that money on something unrelated to law enforcement. I would spend it on something useful and law enforcement related like more training for officers.

robtherobber 8mo ago

> It’s obvious because of the race of the people involved. I think I know what you're saying. You're saying that non-white people are trouble, aren't you? I mean, why wouldn't such a thing be considered a fact and why wouldn't it be obvious? You said it, so it became a fact and also it became obvious.

sjducb 8mo ago
I know they’re drug dealers because they tried to sell me drugs. The English countryside is over 95% white. It’s obvious when organised violent gangs consisting entirely of people of color from London take over and start selling drugs. The police put a stop to it and we are all very grateful.
- robtherobber 8mo ago
  You don't know they are drug dealers, because not all of them tried to sell you drugs, did they? That's a ridiculous statement. You know that some of them tried to do that. Even so, the fact that they were not white had little to do with it, so it was not obvious by any measure. > when organised violent gangs consisting entirely of people of color from London take over In what respect did they take over? And how can you tell that they were all selling drugs? Maybe some were there as tourists, maybe some were visiting family etc. You make some racist assumptions without evidence that I believe should be called out because you're hell-bent on proving something that may not actually be supported by evidence. You, my dear colleague, are fabulating. Not only that the National Police Chiefs' Council County Lines STRA (FY Apr 2024 to Mar 2025) reports that 63.6% of recorded individuals involved are White (with 22.9% Black, 11.6% Asian, 1.8% Other)[0], but "county lines" narrative is routinely racialised and can amplify stereotypes [1], like you appear to do with your comment. [0] https://www.npcc.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/publications/publications-log/national-crime-coordination-committee/2024/county-lines-strategic-threat-assessment-2025_web_accessible.pdf https://www.npcc.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/pub... [1] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/03063968231201325 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/03063968231201325
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