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This site is great. But needs some overall graphic, some charts or something, to tell a story. Something like dollars spent versus saved, to show how this wh

This site is great. But needs some overall graphic, some charts or something, to tell a story. Something like dollars spent versus saved, to show how this whole effort was in-efficient. And. I'd like to see something similar for Project 2025.

ahhhhnoooo 8mo ago
The problem with Doge was not that it was inefficient.... It's that it damaged a whole lot of essential infrastructure, exfiltrated a bunch of data, and generally destabilized a lot of essential systems. Doing so but more efficiently would not have improved it.
- reenorap 8mo ago
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  - ahhhhnoooo 8mo ago
    There's a wide gulf between "nothing was disrupted" and "reenorap isn't aware of anything being disrupted". It's also different from "reenorap did not value the things that were disrupted". Here's a single counterfactual to your statement that nothing was disrupted: approximately 1,500 grants from the National Endowment for the Humanities were cancelled abruptly.
    - reenorap 8mo ago
      > approximately 1,500 grants from the National Endowment for the Humanities were cancelled abruptly. So, it's working as intended? I'm all for cutting as much money from government spending as possible, because we are $36T in debt and we can only get out of this by cutting spending.
      - mjmsmith 8mo ago
        What percentage of the $36T debt did those 1,500 grants make up?
      - kelseyfrog 8mo ago
        Huh? Whether you like it or not, the way we're going to get out of it is printing money.
      - ahhhhnoooo 8mo ago
        You've moved your goalposts. And explicitly confirmed that what you meant was not "nothing was disrupted", but rather "nothing I like was disrupted". Which is fine, just be honest about the statement from the top. If you are sharing an opinion, share an opinion, don't state it as a fact.
  - FrustratedMonky 8mo ago
    "nothing has been disrupted" Who is swallowing the propaganda?
    - reenorap 8mo ago
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      - righthand 8mo ago
        It doesn’t happen in 1 years time. If you break your leg today will you die tomorrow or limp for the rest of your life?
        reenorap 8mo ago
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        righthand 8mo ago
        The job market is at a stand still[0], inflation is still high, and Gdp remained steady under Trumps first term (bad).[1] Remember when Trump said tariffs were going to be paid by foreign countries, well they aren’t because that’s not how it works. 90%+ of tariffs have been paid for by citizens of the United States.[2] You should know that Gdp won’t be fully calculated until the end of the term. So your numbers of 4% (expected, now who’s making up numbers). As well as the Gdp hasnt grown in meaningful areas but AI. Something not expected to last as few people use it. Please with all your wisdom of how this works and all your short term evidence provide the basic proof anything you’re saying is true. [0] https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/us-jobs-report-january-2026 https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/us-jobs-report-january-2... [1] https://www.investopedia.com/gdp-growth-by-president-8604042 https://www.investopedia.com/gdp-growth-by-president-8604042 [2] https://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2026/02/who-is-paying-for-the-2025-u-s-tariffs/ https://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2026/02/who-is...
      - FrustratedMonky 8mo ago
        Inflation has gone up. Just go shopping. If you start quoting government statistics to defend a point, remember that the people that reported any numbers that contradicted the regime, were fired. So those are no longer trusted. You're living in a bubble. 90% of Trump’s tariffs are paid for by American consumers and companies https://fortune.com/2026/02/13/new-york-fed-economists-confirm-americans-footing-trump-tariff-bill/ https://fortune.com/2026/02/13/new-york-fed-economists-confi...
  - cwal37 8mo ago
    I will have to let my wife and many folks she worked with who were illegally terminated, then brought back into uncertain limbo and so on throughout the year that someone on the internet is certain that none of this happened and 2025 was just a bad dream. Their projects and programs still exist and have been progressing well the same as they were 18 months ago.
twochillin 8mo ago
https://www.project2025.observer/en https://www.project2025.observer/en
nobody9999 8mo ago
>And. I'd like to see something similar for Project 2025. https://www.project2025.observer/en https://www.project2025.observer/en https://progressivereform.org/tracking-trump-2/project-2025-executive-action-tracker/ https://progressivereform.org/tracking-trump-2/project-2025-...
jacob_harris 8mo ago
Thank you for the feedback! I decided to not tackle the lies about "savings" because the math was so bad and it was quite frankly being covered much better by other organizations and sites. I also don't want to perpetuate the idea that this was about efficiency, since that and "IT Modernization" were more like a cover for DOGE's other activities. I would like to add more graphics and charts, but I have been struggling a lot with how murky and noisy the data is. Charts communicate a certainty that I don't feel entirely comfortable presenting. One possibility might be to use them for timelines (like I do for the CIOs on the Enablers page), but if you have other suggestions, I'm always open to hear them! Thanks!

ahhhhnoooo 8mo ago

The problem with Doge was not that it was inefficient.... It's that it damaged a whole lot of essential infrastructure, exfiltrated a bunch of data, and generally destabilized a lot of essential systems. Doing so but more efficiently would not have improved it.

reenorap 8mo ago
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- ahhhhnoooo 8mo ago
  There's a wide gulf between "nothing was disrupted" and "reenorap isn't aware of anything being disrupted". It's also different from "reenorap did not value the things that were disrupted". Here's a single counterfactual to your statement that nothing was disrupted: approximately 1,500 grants from the National Endowment for the Humanities were cancelled abruptly.
  - reenorap 8mo ago
    > approximately 1,500 grants from the National Endowment for the Humanities were cancelled abruptly. So, it's working as intended? I'm all for cutting as much money from government spending as possible, because we are $36T in debt and we can only get out of this by cutting spending.
    - mjmsmith 8mo ago
      What percentage of the $36T debt did those 1,500 grants make up?
    - kelseyfrog 8mo ago
      Huh? Whether you like it or not, the way we're going to get out of it is printing money.
    - ahhhhnoooo 8mo ago
      You've moved your goalposts. And explicitly confirmed that what you meant was not "nothing was disrupted", but rather "nothing I like was disrupted". Which is fine, just be honest about the statement from the top. If you are sharing an opinion, share an opinion, don't state it as a fact.
- FrustratedMonky 8mo ago
  "nothing has been disrupted" Who is swallowing the propaganda?
  - reenorap 8mo ago
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    - righthand 8mo ago
      It doesn’t happen in 1 years time. If you break your leg today will you die tomorrow or limp for the rest of your life?
      - reenorap 8mo ago
        [flagged]
        righthand 8mo ago
        The job market is at a stand still[0], inflation is still high, and Gdp remained steady under Trumps first term (bad).[1] Remember when Trump said tariffs were going to be paid by foreign countries, well they aren’t because that’s not how it works. 90%+ of tariffs have been paid for by citizens of the United States.[2] You should know that Gdp won’t be fully calculated until the end of the term. So your numbers of 4% (expected, now who’s making up numbers). As well as the Gdp hasnt grown in meaningful areas but AI. Something not expected to last as few people use it. Please with all your wisdom of how this works and all your short term evidence provide the basic proof anything you’re saying is true. [0] https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/us-jobs-report-january-2026 https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/us-jobs-report-january-2... [1] https://www.investopedia.com/gdp-growth-by-president-8604042 https://www.investopedia.com/gdp-growth-by-president-8604042 [2] https://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2026/02/who-is-paying-for-the-2025-u-s-tariffs/ https://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2026/02/who-is...
    - FrustratedMonky 8mo ago
      Inflation has gone up. Just go shopping. If you start quoting government statistics to defend a point, remember that the people that reported any numbers that contradicted the regime, were fired. So those are no longer trusted. You're living in a bubble. 90% of Trump’s tariffs are paid for by American consumers and companies https://fortune.com/2026/02/13/new-york-fed-economists-confirm-americans-footing-trump-tariff-bill/ https://fortune.com/2026/02/13/new-york-fed-economists-confi...
- cwal37 8mo ago
  I will have to let my wife and many folks she worked with who were illegally terminated, then brought back into uncertain limbo and so on throughout the year that someone on the internet is certain that none of this happened and 2025 was just a bad dream. Their projects and programs still exist and have been progressing well the same as they were 18 months ago.

twochillin 8mo ago

https://www.project2025.observer/en https://www.project2025.observer/en

nobody9999 8mo ago

>And. I'd like to see something similar for Project 2025. https://www.project2025.observer/en https://www.project2025.observer/en https://progressivereform.org/tracking-trump-2/project-2025-executive-action-tracker/ https://progressivereform.org/tracking-trump-2/project-2025-...

jacob_harris 8mo ago

Thank you for the feedback! I decided to not tackle the lies about "savings" because the math was so bad and it was quite frankly being covered much better by other organizations and sites. I also don't want to perpetuate the idea that this was about efficiency, since that and "IT Modernization" were more like a cover for DOGE's other activities. I would like to add more graphics and charts, but I have been struggling a lot with how murky and noisy the data is. Charts communicate a certainty that I don't feel entirely comfortable presenting. One possibility might be to use them for timelines (like I do for the CIOs on the Enablers page), but if you have other suggestions, I'm always open to hear them! Thanks!