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its because of hysteria. same thing happened with tv. some girl in england killed herself after she herself had been searching out suicide content, the algo obv

its because of hysteria. same thing happened with tv. some girl in england killed herself after she herself had been searching out suicide content, the algo obviously suggests it back to her and because of that we basically got the Online Child Safety act. Whos going to tell grieving parents the kid did it to herself?

pjc50 8mo ago
> the algo obviously suggests it back to her Pro-suicide content has been a thing since the days of USENET. It's been a (lesser) problem on social media since the start. Is it really just that one case got over the hysteria threshold? But yes, if the algorithm is suggesting pro-suicide content then the developers are morally, if not legally, liable for that and should expect some consequences. I note that one of the few taboos maintained by the otherwise grossly irresponsible UK media is not reporting on suicide (because this is known to be a trigger). You might see "famous musician died suddenly at a young age" and have to connect the dots yourself.
- squeefers 8mo ago
  > But yes, if the algorithm is suggesting pro-suicide content then the developers are morally, if not legally, if she hadnt searched for it herself, it wouldnt have suggested it. the parents (understandly) want to blame someone for it. politics is emotion, not logic.
  - hackable_sand 8mo ago
    Politics is also logic
  - pjc50 8mo ago
    > if she hadnt searched for it herself, it wouldnt have suggested it That is not an excuse for suggesting it.
    - squeefers 8mo ago
      i mean, it kind of is. do they similarly blame chrome for showing suicide content in her auto-complete? this would have never happened if the girl hadnt searched for it herself. and if this suicide content is so powerful, how come everyone who reads it isnt killing themselves? i suspect to search for suicide content, she may well have been suicidal. a bold accusation, i know

pjc50 8mo ago

> the algo obviously suggests it back to her Pro-suicide content has been a thing since the days of USENET. It's been a (lesser) problem on social media since the start. Is it really just that one case got over the hysteria threshold? But yes, if the algorithm is suggesting pro-suicide content then the developers are morally, if not legally, liable for that and should expect some consequences. I note that one of the few taboos maintained by the otherwise grossly irresponsible UK media is not reporting on suicide (because this is known to be a trigger). You might see "famous musician died suddenly at a young age" and have to connect the dots yourself.

squeefers 8mo ago
> But yes, if the algorithm is suggesting pro-suicide content then the developers are morally, if not legally, if she hadnt searched for it herself, it wouldnt have suggested it. the parents (understandly) want to blame someone for it. politics is emotion, not logic.
- hackable_sand 8mo ago
  Politics is also logic
- pjc50 8mo ago
  > if she hadnt searched for it herself, it wouldnt have suggested it That is not an excuse for suggesting it.
  - squeefers 8mo ago
    i mean, it kind of is. do they similarly blame chrome for showing suicide content in her auto-complete? this would have never happened if the girl hadnt searched for it herself. and if this suicide content is so powerful, how come everyone who reads it isnt killing themselves? i suspect to search for suicide content, she may well have been suicidal. a bold accusation, i know