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> Seems to be a whole bunch of random quotes to justify the position he's taken. Much like the average college essay or, dare I say it, mass media story.

wheels 18y ago
Huh? It's a very tongue in cheek essay. It's well written and in good humor. You guys need to lighten up a bit. The central point, even if not popular here, seems valid: Arc seemed like it might be the Lisp family's answer to developing web apps, but didn't hit the ground with quite the maturity that some were hoping, and now it's looking like Clojure is emerging as an interesting leader in that world. Paul of course might have some more Arc-iness coming down the pipe, but having played with and read some of the source of both Arc and Clojure, as of the currently available releases, Clojure feels like it's less rough around the edges.
- jwilliams 18y ago
  I'd be more interested in why. This article doesn't touch on that - this seems to boil down to, "this isn't fit for purpose, this is", but doesn't say what that purpose was, or how it didn't fit.
  - wheels 18y ago
    "It was running on top of mzscheme? It didn’t support UNICODE? No module system? Few libraries? Unhygienic macros?" "Adding powerful namespacing coupled with the fact that it’s built on top of the JVM dispels the questions and gripes aimed at Arc from the start." That's the real meat. The rest is mostly anecdotes and humor, but it's cute writing.
    - jwilliams 18y ago
      Those were quoted a part of the initial public response to Arc, it didn't really go into why they were bad things - and the impact they had. The fact that they were part of blog chatter when Arc was released only is, to be blunt, really at best only marginally interesting. e.g. Have these things changed? Are they still relevant? Being built on top the JVM gives you access to libraries - is this the meat? If so, I think most people already knew that. I think the "Ipso Facto therefore Clojure will be the 100 year language, not Arc" is a bit of a leap given all that. I don't think the Author needs to justify anything - I don't need to agree with him - I'm just saying I got no real content out of this article. You're right, probably taking it too seriously, but I'm of the view that even something lighthearted has to have some content (in fact, that's where humour is at it's peak).
- Xichekolas 18y ago
  I actually enjoyed the essay... it was well written if nothing else. I just couldn't resist the opportunity to by cynical about the media... sorry about that!
- omouse 18y ago
  Well-written? Hardly.

wheels 18y ago

Huh? It's a very tongue in cheek essay. It's well written and in good humor. You guys need to lighten up a bit. The central point, even if not popular here, seems valid: Arc seemed like it might be the Lisp family's answer to developing web apps, but didn't hit the ground with quite the maturity that some were hoping, and now it's looking like Clojure is emerging as an interesting leader in that world. Paul of course might have some more Arc-iness coming down the pipe, but having played with and read some of the source of both Arc and Clojure, as of the currently available releases, Clojure feels like it's less rough around the edges.

jwilliams 18y ago
I'd be more interested in why. This article doesn't touch on that - this seems to boil down to, "this isn't fit for purpose, this is", but doesn't say what that purpose was, or how it didn't fit.
- wheels 18y ago
  "It was running on top of mzscheme? It didn’t support UNICODE? No module system? Few libraries? Unhygienic macros?" "Adding powerful namespacing coupled with the fact that it’s built on top of the JVM dispels the questions and gripes aimed at Arc from the start." That's the real meat. The rest is mostly anecdotes and humor, but it's cute writing.
  - jwilliams 18y ago
    Those were quoted a part of the initial public response to Arc, it didn't really go into why they were bad things - and the impact they had. The fact that they were part of blog chatter when Arc was released only is, to be blunt, really at best only marginally interesting. e.g. Have these things changed? Are they still relevant? Being built on top the JVM gives you access to libraries - is this the meat? If so, I think most people already knew that. I think the "Ipso Facto therefore Clojure will be the 100 year language, not Arc" is a bit of a leap given all that. I don't think the Author needs to justify anything - I don't need to agree with him - I'm just saying I got no real content out of this article. You're right, probably taking it too seriously, but I'm of the view that even something lighthearted has to have some content (in fact, that's where humour is at it's peak).
Xichekolas 18y ago
I actually enjoyed the essay... it was well written if nothing else. I just couldn't resist the opportunity to by cynical about the media... sorry about that!
omouse 18y ago
Well-written? Hardly.