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>Show me a European iPhone, European Microsoft, European Nvidia, etc. The "avoid dependence on the US" movement only really started picking up steam with Trump

>Show me a European iPhone, European Microsoft, European Nvidia, etc. The "avoid dependence on the US" movement only really started picking up steam with Trump's accelerating dementia in his second term. The iPhone, Microsoft, and nVidia all took multiple decades to develop into the behemoths they are today. Famously, the first iPhone was actually expensive trash: no apps, no 3G, couldn't even cut and paste text. It wasn't until the 3G model and the App Store that it became a true success.

jmchuster 8mo ago
> Famously, the first iPhone was actually expensive trash: no apps, no 3G, couldn't even cut and paste text. Also famously, while the tech elitists complained about all of its shortcomings, the broader consumer market fully embraced it and it single-handedly drove an entirely new generation of consumer electronics.
- stackghost 8mo ago
  Yes, as I wrote initially: the iPhone is a behemoth today, but its first version was underwhelming to say the least. My point, which you seem to have overlooked, is that parent poster complaining that a "european iphone" doesn't exist is not realistic, considering how it went for Apple.
- shiroiuma 8mo ago
  The consumer market embraced it despite its shortcomings because it looked nice and was easy to use; the alternatives were not. Yeah, it didn't do that much, but it did more than a flip phone. The alternatives wanted you to use a stylus just to use your phone, and tried to basically recreate the MS Windows UI on a tiny screen; their UI was terrible.
  - brabel 8mo ago
    I had a flip phone at the time and it certainly did more than the iPhone, but admittedly harder to use and not as good looking.
- Lio 8mo ago
  I wouldn’t say trash. For the record, it let you read the same web pages as a desktop computer over WiFi. It had a usable mapping app and good music app. The rest of the experience, stuff like alarms, calculator, address book, etc. also worked nicely. Those turned out to be things no one else was offering. I had a Nokia N95 at the time and the original iPhone was a big improvement on everything except the camera.

jmchuster 8mo ago

> Famously, the first iPhone was actually expensive trash: no apps, no 3G, couldn't even cut and paste text. Also famously, while the tech elitists complained about all of its shortcomings, the broader consumer market fully embraced it and it single-handedly drove an entirely new generation of consumer electronics.

stackghost 8mo ago
Yes, as I wrote initially: the iPhone is a behemoth today, but its first version was underwhelming to say the least. My point, which you seem to have overlooked, is that parent poster complaining that a "european iphone" doesn't exist is not realistic, considering how it went for Apple.
shiroiuma 8mo ago
The consumer market embraced it despite its shortcomings because it looked nice and was easy to use; the alternatives were not. Yeah, it didn't do that much, but it did more than a flip phone. The alternatives wanted you to use a stylus just to use your phone, and tried to basically recreate the MS Windows UI on a tiny screen; their UI was terrible.
- brabel 8mo ago
  I had a flip phone at the time and it certainly did more than the iPhone, but admittedly harder to use and not as good looking.
Lio 8mo ago
I wouldn’t say trash. For the record, it let you read the same web pages as a desktop computer over WiFi. It had a usable mapping app and good music app. The rest of the experience, stuff like alarms, calculator, address book, etc. also worked nicely. Those turned out to be things no one else was offering. I had a Nokia N95 at the time and the original iPhone was a big improvement on everything except the camera.