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well there's nothing special about any batch of humans in particular. what changes is the environment in which they function. so what exactly about the post ww2

well there's nothing special about any batch of humans in particular. what changes is the environment in which they function. so what exactly about the post ww2 environment led to this scenario?

amanaplanacanal 8mo ago
As a person in that cohort, I suspect it was the booming economy that led us to think that growth would go on forever, so we could vote ourselves infinite riches on the back of our children and grandchildren, secure in the knowledge that infinite growth would bail them out. We are the worst generation.
- Aeglaecia 8mo ago
  if i breathed in leaded petrol id behave irrationally too , personally i believe that sustainable growth could have continued for a few hundred years (and possibly have lead to a better system) had we not instead capitulated to those suggesting parabolic growth was anything but borrowing from the future
  - fuzzfactor 8mo ago
    What a coincidence ;) I'm looking forward to even more exposure to today's somewhat leaded aviation gas as I contribute to the transition being made to alternative fuels. I'll use that as an excuse any time I need to behave more erratically ;) >sustainable growth could have continued for a few hundred years (and possibly have lead to a better system) Yes, I did the math when I was a teenager. But both of these impending eventualities did not look like they would ever be recoverable after Nixon was there for not that long a time. I guess I was right, and here we are :\ This is not what my father fought in World War II for, and the whole country went through, just to end up in deeper debt [0], with more irrational leadership than so-called shitholes, and failing to remain orders of magnitude richer than China :( As we go along, a lot of 21st century financial things that might have been recoverable just a few years ago are slipping out of reach faster each day now. Sooner or later the bottom rung of this modern ladder will be out-of-reach and not coming back either. [0] When the only reason for any debt at all is a temporary situation like the need to vanquish authoritarian dictators who need it so bad that freedom-loving Americans just can't stand it any more.
    - Aeglaecia 8mo ago
      im not entirely sure that i parsed your smileys/double negations/insinuations as intended ... the irrational aspect was agreeing with psychopaths , those psychopaths will always exist and will not be kept in check by anything except for community enforced morality. the west honed a beautiful set of morals for thousands of years , then proceeded to throw those morals in the bin because tv said so. id feel bad for the west , however this does bring up the conundrum - is a propagandized (or otherwise hypnotized) populace liable for their own actions ?
      - fuzzfactor 8mo ago
        Toxic materials can make you real wacky, but that has nothing to do with anything psychopathic. Unless somebody puts some effort into combining the two, which does happen. Psychopaths would have done damage whether they were affected by chemicals or not. Now you do bring up a major conundrum which many people may not want to face at all, and would not know what to think no matter if it was true or false. You make a legitimate observation whether that is coming from outside the USA or from freedom-loving Americans.
        Aeglaecia 8mo ago
        our viewpoints make a good discussion but our communication protocols arent properly matching up. i was trying to make the point that you just did - being fried in the head would increase the likelihood of silly decisions in all types of humans. one such example of a silly decision was collectively deleting rules designed to keep psychopaths in check, at the behest of psychopaths. thanks for chatting man, all the best
        fuzzfactor 8mo ago
        Now it's very clear. I new you were very sensible the whole time :) peyton is right, and it's worth it to put in the effort to improve communication
        junofan 8mo ago
- fuzzfactor 8mo ago
  >As a person in that cohort, Me too. >We are the worst generation. Nah. >Pulled the ladder up on those after them. It was only the ones that voted themselves infinite wealth and got it, and they pulled it up on most everybody in their same age group too way back then. IOW only a handful of boomers by comparison to all the rest. When you do the math the vast majority of people over 65 have assets that are dwarfed by a halfway decent tech employee, after only about 5 years of employment. Which is neither better nor worse, if everything went south right now you still couldn't say whether the retiree of 65 or the hard-working 25-year old would make it until they were 70 or not without running out of "runway". This is by design no matter how you vote.
  - WarOnPrivacy 8mo ago
    >>Pulled the ladder up on those after them. > It was only the ones that voted themselves infinite wealth and got it, It was also the ones who spent generations pressuring their govs for ever restrictive zoning laws, wanting to freeze their neighborhood in time by tanking new builds. This is very much pulling up the ladder behind them.
    - fuzzfactor 8mo ago
      Is that what hapened in California? The whole state? How bad has it been everywhere else? I've never seen that in action but it seems as corrupt and unfair as lots of other things that contributed to the snowballing lack of future opportunity in different ways. Very much pulling up the ladder like you have seen first hand, however the well-connected ones could pull it off they were getting it while the getting was good. With very limited oportunities to get on the gravy train as always, the remaining younger boomers never had a chance :( In places like Texas and Florida it seems like development never stops for anything.
    - fuzzfactor 8mo ago
      Not my downvote btw, corrective upvote actually. I've seen your observation be confirmed in other places besides California sometimes, so I think it's 100% a problem, I just don't know much about it or how widespread it is across the country. There's probably 1000 other cuts that things are dying from which all add up. If this is the biggest problem holding back the prosperity locally where development was already difficult, there's probably something equivalent in the rural communities where it's not so crowded. When opportunity all recedes at once nationwide, it's got to be due to the sucking sound coming from Washington more than any one local area I would think :)

well there's nothing special about any batch of humans in particular. what changes is the environment in which they function. so what exactly about the post ww2 environment led to this scenario?

amanaplanacanal 8mo ago

As a person in that cohort, I suspect it was the booming economy that led us to think that growth would go on forever, so we could vote ourselves infinite riches on the back of our children and grandchildren, secure in the knowledge that infinite growth would bail them out. We are the worst generation.

Aeglaecia 8mo ago
if i breathed in leaded petrol id behave irrationally too , personally i believe that sustainable growth could have continued for a few hundred years (and possibly have lead to a better system) had we not instead capitulated to those suggesting parabolic growth was anything but borrowing from the future
- fuzzfactor 8mo ago
  What a coincidence ;) I'm looking forward to even more exposure to today's somewhat leaded aviation gas as I contribute to the transition being made to alternative fuels. I'll use that as an excuse any time I need to behave more erratically ;) >sustainable growth could have continued for a few hundred years (and possibly have lead to a better system) Yes, I did the math when I was a teenager. But both of these impending eventualities did not look like they would ever be recoverable after Nixon was there for not that long a time. I guess I was right, and here we are :\ This is not what my father fought in World War II for, and the whole country went through, just to end up in deeper debt [0], with more irrational leadership than so-called shitholes, and failing to remain orders of magnitude richer than China :( As we go along, a lot of 21st century financial things that might have been recoverable just a few years ago are slipping out of reach faster each day now. Sooner or later the bottom rung of this modern ladder will be out-of-reach and not coming back either. [0] When the only reason for any debt at all is a temporary situation like the need to vanquish authoritarian dictators who need it so bad that freedom-loving Americans just can't stand it any more.
  - Aeglaecia 8mo ago
    im not entirely sure that i parsed your smileys/double negations/insinuations as intended ... the irrational aspect was agreeing with psychopaths , those psychopaths will always exist and will not be kept in check by anything except for community enforced morality. the west honed a beautiful set of morals for thousands of years , then proceeded to throw those morals in the bin because tv said so. id feel bad for the west , however this does bring up the conundrum - is a propagandized (or otherwise hypnotized) populace liable for their own actions ?
    - fuzzfactor 8mo ago
      Toxic materials can make you real wacky, but that has nothing to do with anything psychopathic. Unless somebody puts some effort into combining the two, which does happen. Psychopaths would have done damage whether they were affected by chemicals or not. Now you do bring up a major conundrum which many people may not want to face at all, and would not know what to think no matter if it was true or false. You make a legitimate observation whether that is coming from outside the USA or from freedom-loving Americans.
      - Aeglaecia 8mo ago
        our viewpoints make a good discussion but our communication protocols arent properly matching up. i was trying to make the point that you just did - being fried in the head would increase the likelihood of silly decisions in all types of humans. one such example of a silly decision was collectively deleting rules designed to keep psychopaths in check, at the behest of psychopaths. thanks for chatting man, all the best
        fuzzfactor 8mo ago
        Now it's very clear. I new you were very sensible the whole time :) peyton is right, and it's worth it to put in the effort to improve communication
      - junofan 8mo ago
fuzzfactor 8mo ago
>As a person in that cohort, Me too. >We are the worst generation. Nah. >Pulled the ladder up on those after them. It was only the ones that voted themselves infinite wealth and got it, and they pulled it up on most everybody in their same age group too way back then. IOW only a handful of boomers by comparison to all the rest. When you do the math the vast majority of people over 65 have assets that are dwarfed by a halfway decent tech employee, after only about 5 years of employment. Which is neither better nor worse, if everything went south right now you still couldn't say whether the retiree of 65 or the hard-working 25-year old would make it until they were 70 or not without running out of "runway". This is by design no matter how you vote.
- WarOnPrivacy 8mo ago
  >>Pulled the ladder up on those after them. > It was only the ones that voted themselves infinite wealth and got it, It was also the ones who spent generations pressuring their govs for ever restrictive zoning laws, wanting to freeze their neighborhood in time by tanking new builds. This is very much pulling up the ladder behind them.
  - fuzzfactor 8mo ago
    Is that what hapened in California? The whole state? How bad has it been everywhere else? I've never seen that in action but it seems as corrupt and unfair as lots of other things that contributed to the snowballing lack of future opportunity in different ways. Very much pulling up the ladder like you have seen first hand, however the well-connected ones could pull it off they were getting it while the getting was good. With very limited oportunities to get on the gravy train as always, the remaining younger boomers never had a chance :( In places like Texas and Florida it seems like development never stops for anything.
  - fuzzfactor 8mo ago
    Not my downvote btw, corrective upvote actually. I've seen your observation be confirmed in other places besides California sometimes, so I think it's 100% a problem, I just don't know much about it or how widespread it is across the country. There's probably 1000 other cuts that things are dying from which all add up. If this is the biggest problem holding back the prosperity locally where development was already difficult, there's probably something equivalent in the rural communities where it's not so crowded. When opportunity all recedes at once nationwide, it's got to be due to the sucking sound coming from Washington more than any one local area I would think :)