> Having said that, what should the penalty for overstaying a visa by ~7 years[1] be? Nothing? I'd love to see the Democrats propose an alternative approach her

> Having said that, what should the penalty for overstaying a visa by ~7 years[1] be? Nothing? I'd love to see the Democrats propose an alternative approach here, but all I seem to hear is thought terminating cliches like "no one is illegal" How about something like the plan from the "Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act of 2013" developed by 4 Democrat and 4 Republican senators (the Republicans were Jeff Flake, Lindsey Graham, John MacCain, and Marco Rubio), which passed the Senate 68-32? It provided a pathway to citizenship for people who had been here long enough with no problems, after they paid some fines.