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See... this is kinda how I know you have a political axe to grind. You are not arguing principles, which makes your outrage.. shall we say less potent. You are

See... this is kinda how I know you have a political axe to grind. You are not arguing principles, which makes your outrage.. shall we say less potent. You are arguing your favorite outcome. Allow me a quick rewrite of your breathless response in a more reasonable language. << This was in a literal war zone against a man who literally declared war on the United States. Was he targeted? Was he targeted willfully? Was he target ted willfully, while administration knew he was an American citizen? When did they know it? Did they stop their plans once they did? And that is before we get into: do you stop being a citizen when president says so? Seems pretty apt given how we are about to cover Good. << Didn't answer my question. This law targeted terrorists, not mothers of two, driving home from dropping their kids off at school. You are apparently cool with president determining, who the terrorists are. If so, ICE shooting a mother of two ( who was clearly not watching those two kids m ind you ) is just an expansion of powers Obama gave himself. Thanks Obama! << Didn't answer my question (x2). You can barely answer yours. (x2) << I can't find any evidence that this was a legitimate leak investigation done in accordance with the law. I literally laughed. Try harder. Maybe consult an llm? Maybe all those arguments about AI effectively being here already because the floor is so low are not that far fetched. << Reminder, we are talking about domestic surveillance and illegal detainment for political purposes. Sigh, we are talking about what we are talking about. It is cute that you think you can control this conversation though. In a way, it is almost like watching a toddler walking for the first time. Don't get me wrong, it is adorable, but it doesn't change much.

throwawayq3423 8mo ago
> See... this is kinda how I know you have a political axe to grind. > Allow me a quick rewrite of your breathless response in a more reasonable language. The fact that you won't just reply point by point and want to spin up a self-important narrative tells me everything I need to know about this interaction. > Was he targeted? Was he targeted willfully? Was he target ted willfully, while administration knew he was an American citizen? When did they know it? Did they stop their plans once they did? I was pointing out how Trump is targeting and killing US citizens in America for peacefully protesting and your "both both sides do it!" attempt was a U.S. citizen literally fighting against the U.S. in a warzone. >If so, ICE shooting a mother of two ( who was clearly not watching those two kids m ind you ) is just an expansion of powers Obama gave himself. Thanks Obama! ICE had a specific mandate under Obama (and every other President) to go after only criminals. Trump perverted this mandate to form a militarized police force to attack democratic cities, killing protesters with no accountability. We get it. You are above all this. You are too smart to think that either party is better than the other. We get it. You can stop now.
- iugtmkbdfil834 8mo ago
  << I was pointing out how Trump is targeting and killing US citizens in America for peacefully protesting and your "both both sides do it!" attempt was a U.S. citizen literally fighting against the U.S. in a warzone. Huh? ICE is targeting illegal aliens. Protesters try to interfere ICE targeting illegal aliens.. you know their mandated duties and you are surprised at the results? For comparison, if I were to block FBI/DEA from conducting their operations by using a car, would that be acceptable from your perspective? Naturally, the whole conversation is kinda silly, because if you know anything about this issue, then you know part of the reason 'sanctuary cities' are called that way is because local police is expected not to coordinate with ICE, which is kinda how the shitshow that you saw in twin cities is not a real issue in jurisdictions that follow federal law.. << ICE had a specific mandate under Obama (and every other President) to go after only criminals. And they did. Now, it certainly was something of a surprise how many are willing to protect criminals ( I am sorry, 'protect the community'. If Good actually stayed home and tended to her kids maybe she would have been alive today. But she chose badly. She should have chosen taking care of HER kids. ICE didn't do great, but I can't really fault them here. << You are too smart to think that either party is better than the other. I am smart enough to distance myself. If you have any survival skills left in you, you should consider doing the same. I can't tell if you really believe the tripe you wrote, but it does not really matter. I said it before. The mood has shifted in ways you may have not noticed.
  - throwawayq3423 8mo ago
    > Huh? ICE is targeting illegal aliens. Overstaying your visa is a civil offense. Kidnapping and assaulting people who haven't even committed a misdemeanor is illegal and unconstitutional. > Protesters try to interfere ICE targeting illegal aliens Well in that case you could declare all protests as "interfering with police operations" thereby making illegal all protests and ohhhhh ok I get it. You're not a "both sides" guy. You actively support this admin attacking the constitution and you're trying to make it look better by creating false equivalences instead of just owning what you support. I'd have at least a little respect for you if you just owned it. We're done here.

throwawayq3423 8mo ago

> See... this is kinda how I know you have a political axe to grind. > Allow me a quick rewrite of your breathless response in a more reasonable language. The fact that you won't just reply point by point and want to spin up a self-important narrative tells me everything I need to know about this interaction. > Was he targeted? Was he targeted willfully? Was he target ted willfully, while administration knew he was an American citizen? When did they know it? Did they stop their plans once they did? I was pointing out how Trump is targeting and killing US citizens in America for peacefully protesting and your "both both sides do it!" attempt was a U.S. citizen literally fighting against the U.S. in a warzone. >If so, ICE shooting a mother of two ( who was clearly not watching those two kids m ind you ) is just an expansion of powers Obama gave himself. Thanks Obama! ICE had a specific mandate under Obama (and every other President) to go after only criminals. Trump perverted this mandate to form a militarized police force to attack democratic cities, killing protesters with no accountability. We get it. You are above all this. You are too smart to think that either party is better than the other. We get it. You can stop now.

iugtmkbdfil834 8mo ago
<< I was pointing out how Trump is targeting and killing US citizens in America for peacefully protesting and your "both both sides do it!" attempt was a U.S. citizen literally fighting against the U.S. in a warzone. Huh? ICE is targeting illegal aliens. Protesters try to interfere ICE targeting illegal aliens.. you know their mandated duties and you are surprised at the results? For comparison, if I were to block FBI/DEA from conducting their operations by using a car, would that be acceptable from your perspective? Naturally, the whole conversation is kinda silly, because if you know anything about this issue, then you know part of the reason 'sanctuary cities' are called that way is because local police is expected not to coordinate with ICE, which is kinda how the shitshow that you saw in twin cities is not a real issue in jurisdictions that follow federal law.. << ICE had a specific mandate under Obama (and every other President) to go after only criminals. And they did. Now, it certainly was something of a surprise how many are willing to protect criminals ( I am sorry, 'protect the community'. If Good actually stayed home and tended to her kids maybe she would have been alive today. But she chose badly. She should have chosen taking care of HER kids. ICE didn't do great, but I can't really fault them here. << You are too smart to think that either party is better than the other. I am smart enough to distance myself. If you have any survival skills left in you, you should consider doing the same. I can't tell if you really believe the tripe you wrote, but it does not really matter. I said it before. The mood has shifted in ways you may have not noticed.
- throwawayq3423 8mo ago
  > Huh? ICE is targeting illegal aliens. Overstaying your visa is a civil offense. Kidnapping and assaulting people who haven't even committed a misdemeanor is illegal and unconstitutional. > Protesters try to interfere ICE targeting illegal aliens Well in that case you could declare all protests as "interfering with police operations" thereby making illegal all protests and ohhhhh ok I get it. You're not a "both sides" guy. You actively support this admin attacking the constitution and you're trying to make it look better by creating false equivalences instead of just owning what you support. I'd have at least a little respect for you if you just owned it. We're done here.