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It's difficult for Americans to accept working harder (insanely harder) gets you further in life. Intelligence is supposed to be innate, not something you can

by seiji 14y ago

It's difficult for Americans to accept working harder (insanely harder) gets you further in life. Intelligence is supposed to be innate, not something you can manipulate by "working harder." Whether you are smart or dumb, you should be happy about it and still be a millionaire. It seems so unfair painfully studying and drilling makes you seem smarter. Why is it unfair? Because Americans obviously don't want to painfully study and drill math and science and culture when they could be texting or playing video games or drinking diet energy mountain dew xtreme (the dewiest).

sgrove 14y ago
This seems unfair. First, there are absolutely economic and cultural factors that cause noise in the meritocracy. Second, for those Americans who aren't in disadvantaged economic situations, there's certainly an emphasis on 'being happy' and being at least a bit of a generalist here which isn't as present in many other places. Reducing that to 'text or playing video games or drinking diet energy mountain dew xtreme (the dewiest)' is dismissive and lowers the conversation.
- seiji 14y ago
  Good point. I was approaching from a view of mostly well off Americans who get annoyed when fer'ners show up and become more successful than they are. It's completely different when you consider people who don't even know how to do academic things well being placed against extreme cram school cultures. See: waiting for superman, the lottery, a few Frontline specials about it, and mst3k episode 816.
  - sgrove 14y ago
    Ah, yes, I see the context now. I suppose I have less an less exposure to people like that these days, so they rarely factor into my understanding. Probably fair to say there's a mix of different attitudes, understanding, expectations, and hopes in the American landscape.
batgaijin 14y ago
I don't think it's that, I think at the end of the day it's racism. Oh, the other kids are doing better than you Timmy? Well you've got to study harder! What, the Asian got a better grade than you? Well, can't help that. I mean, I think there is a general kind of attitude that Asian people don't really count towards raising the bar - there really is no other way to describe it. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in-u-s-asian-american-discrimination-probe.html http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in... Note: Asian means Indian too :P
tkahn6 14y ago
I don't know if you've ever stepped foot in an American high school but I can tell you from experience that the things you must do to do very well in an American high school are not things to be proud of.

by seiji 14y ago

sgrove 14y ago

This seems unfair. First, there are absolutely economic and cultural factors that cause noise in the meritocracy. Second, for those Americans who aren't in disadvantaged economic situations, there's certainly an emphasis on 'being happy' and being at least a bit of a generalist here which isn't as present in many other places. Reducing that to 'text or playing video games or drinking diet energy mountain dew xtreme (the dewiest)' is dismissive and lowers the conversation.

seiji 14y ago
Good point. I was approaching from a view of mostly well off Americans who get annoyed when fer'ners show up and become more successful than they are. It's completely different when you consider people who don't even know how to do academic things well being placed against extreme cram school cultures. See: waiting for superman, the lottery, a few Frontline specials about it, and mst3k episode 816.
- sgrove 14y ago
  Ah, yes, I see the context now. I suppose I have less an less exposure to people like that these days, so they rarely factor into my understanding. Probably fair to say there's a mix of different attitudes, understanding, expectations, and hopes in the American landscape.

batgaijin 14y ago

I don't think it's that, I think at the end of the day it's racism. Oh, the other kids are doing better than you Timmy? Well you've got to study harder! What, the Asian got a better grade than you? Well, can't help that. I mean, I think there is a general kind of attitude that Asian people don't really count towards raising the bar - there really is no other way to describe it. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in-u-s-asian-american-discrimination-probe.html http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in... Note: Asian means Indian too :P

tkahn6 14y ago

I don't know if you've ever stepped foot in an American high school but I can tell you from experience that the things you must do to do very well in an American high school are not things to be proud of.