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Garment Notation Language: Formal descriptive language for clothing construction

136 points by prathyvsh 8mo ago

Guestmodinfo 8mo ago
Can we express the drapes and dresses worn in the animes. Because then it will be helpful for the cos players
- antidamage 8mo ago
  It looks like it has a 3d draping view, but it didn't seem very good yet. Check out Marvellous Designer, that's what anyone doing digital-first uses. Drapey clothing is probably the easiest to freehand without a pattern though. It's accurate fits that need more measuring, planning, temporary stitching, test garments, etc.
Johnny_Bonk 8mo ago
Thank you for this
poketdev 8mo ago
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- cafard 8mo ago
  What does this have to do with the post?
  - JoshTriplett 8mo ago
    It's spam.
astrashe2 8mo ago
Were any people who work for the garment industry involved in GNL's creation, or is it something that's coming entirely from tech people?
- Edman274 8mo ago
  Tech person - there's only one contributor, it's less than 48 hours old, and appears to be primarily vibe coded with the assistance of Claude Code. No mentions of types of stitches even though it's crucial to understanding how a garment is made. I wonder too if this grammar can represent a glove made from a single strand of yarn.
  - giraffe_lady 8mo ago
    If I understand what you mean, that's more in the realm of knitting which does already have several rigorous notations in common use. This is for pattern drafting, which assumes knit or woven fabric as the raw material for the garment construction, along with the pattern. That said it still does not seem suitable for this task based on my experience sewing from and modifying patterns.
    - AlotOfReading 8mo ago
      Stitches are load-bearing, so specifying a bartack or a flatlock seems pretty important to unambiguously specifying a garment. Along the same lines, I don't see a way to specify hardware that isn't for closures, e.g. the rivets used to reinforce denim pockets.
      - giraffe_lady 8mo ago
        I know, I make clothes too. Probably unlike the creator of this thing. But the comment I was responding to seemed to be using "stitch" in the way knitters use it, not the way sewists use it. No pattern drafting system can represent the stitches necessary to create a panel of knit fabric, that's simply not the level of abstraction they work at. This thing isn't good but not for the reason of being unable to represent a one-strand mitten or whatever, which is what I think they were getting at.
        NoMoreNicksLeft 8mo ago
        Is this even able to specify patterns? Or is it just how to assemble the pieces of cut cloth?
Doohickey-d 8mo ago
For another "clothing patterns as code" approach, see https://freesewing.dev/ https://freesewing.dev/ - also with a more complete UI and editor.
- abetusk 8mo ago
  Also free as in freedom [0]. [0] https://codeberg.org/freesewing/freesewing/src/branch/develop/LICENSE https://codeberg.org/freesewing/freesewing/src/branch/develo...
- pimlottc 8mo ago
  This looks interesting but I’m struggling to find any examples of what this actually entails/produces/looks like. Most of the guides are about setting up your environment, checking out code, etc.
  - kurnikas 8mo ago
    So I've actually built patterns using their system. Basically you define a layout using JS and defining a series of points and offsets and lines. You can refer to variables such as body measurements or other dimensions for bags. https://freesewing.eu/ https://freesewing.eu/ is their more "consumer" facing site where you can enter your measurements and then download sewing patterns sized for you specifically. One of the other nice things they do as part of the pattern design process is testing the pattern makes sense at many "scales" and so you can actually define a "body" the size of a doll and use this for defining dolls clothing, or make really size inclusive clothing, there are members of the community with varying disabilities such as forms of dwarfism who otherwise struggle to find appropriately sized clothes.
AreShoesFeet000 8mo ago
I should just read Wittgenstein.
infogulch 8mo ago
Does GNL support pleats, tucks, and darts? These sewn features help make flat cloth conform to curves in the body. The terms don't seem to be mentioned explicitly in the repo, though maybe they can be implemented with the existing notation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleat | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuck_(sewing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuck_(sewing) | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_(sewing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_(sewing)
- owlstuffing 8mo ago
  Read the docs eg. Darts: https://github.com/khalildh/garment-notation/blob/main/garment-notation.md#51-dart-d https://github.com/khalildh/garment-notation/blob/main/garme...
  - infogulch 8mo ago
    Github doesn't do plurality folding which trips up my searches sometimes. Thanks.
vatsachak 8mo ago
"Dance has Labanotation. Music has staff notation. Architecture has plan/section/elevation conventions. GNL brings the same rigor to garments — a generative descriptive language where a valid expression is sufficient to construct a garment without ambiguity." AI lmao
SJMG 8mo ago
The 3D view is broken on Safari and Chrome.
- kenjackson 8mo ago
  The 3D view works on Edge, but the shirt doesn't fit properly and there's only one sleeve and that sleeve doesn't actually have the arm go in the middle of it.
- ceroxylon 8mo ago
  It is not working on Firefox 147.0.4 either.
nimbus-hn-test 8mo ago
[flagged]
OrionNox 8mo ago
We already have marvelous designer and Clo3d...
arcsincosin 8mo ago
In the examples, there is discrepancy between the source, the diagram, the pieces diagram, and the 3D test each. As someone who is professionally and personally interested in grammars and textiles, I appreciate the fantasy and the vibe of the project but it does not seem to be a functioning demo of anything coherent.
- buggymcbugfix 8mo ago
  +1. This is 100% hallucinated. Creds: My first programming language was GRAFIS CAD Fachsprache, a parametric pattern drafting software for garments, which incidentally powers our business (https:/liepelt.design—the website and intranet of which we are developing in ur/web btw just to clarify the geek factor!)
- jasonwatkinspdx 8mo ago
  Yeah, and whoever kicked this off I don't think knows basics of constructing/tailoring clothes. There already is a standardized representation: patterns. Some of the older generation in my family still sew their own clothing using them for fun.
throwaway198846 8mo ago
Is there a service I can upload a file and get one made and shipped to me? Not necessarily this grament language but others. I have an old and unusual garment I want in an adult size.
- Animats 8mo ago
  Yes, but it's a service for the garment trade, not individuals.[1] They're going to want patterns in an industry standard format. If you need help with the design, that's available, but not cheap. There's a reverse-engineering process for garments, involving laying them out on a light table and taking pictures. That's how you make knockoffs. If the goal is a one-off, not volume production, just find a good custom tailor or costumer. It's going to cost. [1] https://www.hongyuapparel.com/clothing-prototype-manufacturer/ https://www.hongyuapparel.com/clothing-prototype-manufacture...
CrzyLngPwd 8mo ago
This is how a robot thinks of clothing. And humans.
rcsttqisoutofSF 8mo ago
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- Bjartr 8mo ago
  How did you determine the author is a PoC? Even now that you mention it I can't find anything in the repo that tells me anything about the author's demographic. That X profile does appear to be the author's, but I'm not sure how you made that connection since there isn't a link to it in the github repo, or the author's git profile page. Are you suggesting that most people commenting on this, on a site where people often don't even read the linked content are doing more than skimming the github page and saying the first few things that come to mind by taking time to track down the author's posts on other sites to determine their demographic?
meindnoch 8mo ago
This is just slop. Pretty sure this person has no experience in clothes manufacturing.

136 points by prathyvsh 8mo ago

Guestmodinfo 8mo ago

Can we express the drapes and dresses worn in the animes. Because then it will be helpful for the cos players

antidamage 8mo ago
It looks like it has a 3d draping view, but it didn't seem very good yet. Check out Marvellous Designer, that's what anyone doing digital-first uses. Drapey clothing is probably the easiest to freehand without a pattern though. It's accurate fits that need more measuring, planning, temporary stitching, test garments, etc.

Johnny_Bonk 8mo ago

Thank you for this

poketdev 8mo ago

[flagged]

cafard 8mo ago
What does this have to do with the post?
- JoshTriplett 8mo ago
  It's spam.

astrashe2 8mo ago

Were any people who work for the garment industry involved in GNL's creation, or is it something that's coming entirely from tech people?

Edman274 8mo ago
Tech person - there's only one contributor, it's less than 48 hours old, and appears to be primarily vibe coded with the assistance of Claude Code. No mentions of types of stitches even though it's crucial to understanding how a garment is made. I wonder too if this grammar can represent a glove made from a single strand of yarn.
- giraffe_lady 8mo ago
  If I understand what you mean, that's more in the realm of knitting which does already have several rigorous notations in common use. This is for pattern drafting, which assumes knit or woven fabric as the raw material for the garment construction, along with the pattern. That said it still does not seem suitable for this task based on my experience sewing from and modifying patterns.
  - AlotOfReading 8mo ago
    Stitches are load-bearing, so specifying a bartack or a flatlock seems pretty important to unambiguously specifying a garment. Along the same lines, I don't see a way to specify hardware that isn't for closures, e.g. the rivets used to reinforce denim pockets.
    - giraffe_lady 8mo ago
      I know, I make clothes too. Probably unlike the creator of this thing. But the comment I was responding to seemed to be using "stitch" in the way knitters use it, not the way sewists use it. No pattern drafting system can represent the stitches necessary to create a panel of knit fabric, that's simply not the level of abstraction they work at. This thing isn't good but not for the reason of being unable to represent a one-strand mitten or whatever, which is what I think they were getting at.
      - NoMoreNicksLeft 8mo ago
        Is this even able to specify patterns? Or is it just how to assemble the pieces of cut cloth?

Doohickey-d 8mo ago

For another "clothing patterns as code" approach, see https://freesewing.dev/ https://freesewing.dev/ - also with a more complete UI and editor.

abetusk 8mo ago
Also free as in freedom [0]. [0] https://codeberg.org/freesewing/freesewing/src/branch/develop/LICENSE https://codeberg.org/freesewing/freesewing/src/branch/develo...
pimlottc 8mo ago
This looks interesting but I’m struggling to find any examples of what this actually entails/produces/looks like. Most of the guides are about setting up your environment, checking out code, etc.
- kurnikas 8mo ago
  So I've actually built patterns using their system. Basically you define a layout using JS and defining a series of points and offsets and lines. You can refer to variables such as body measurements or other dimensions for bags. https://freesewing.eu/ https://freesewing.eu/ is their more "consumer" facing site where you can enter your measurements and then download sewing patterns sized for you specifically. One of the other nice things they do as part of the pattern design process is testing the pattern makes sense at many "scales" and so you can actually define a "body" the size of a doll and use this for defining dolls clothing, or make really size inclusive clothing, there are members of the community with varying disabilities such as forms of dwarfism who otherwise struggle to find appropriately sized clothes.

AreShoesFeet000 8mo ago

I should just read Wittgenstein.

infogulch 8mo ago

Does GNL support pleats, tucks, and darts? These sewn features help make flat cloth conform to curves in the body. The terms don't seem to be mentioned explicitly in the repo, though maybe they can be implemented with the existing notation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleat | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuck_(sewing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuck_(sewing) | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_(sewing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dart_(sewing)

owlstuffing 8mo ago
Read the docs eg. Darts: https://github.com/khalildh/garment-notation/blob/main/garment-notation.md#51-dart-d https://github.com/khalildh/garment-notation/blob/main/garme...
- infogulch 8mo ago
  Github doesn't do plurality folding which trips up my searches sometimes. Thanks.

vatsachak 8mo ago

"Dance has Labanotation. Music has staff notation. Architecture has plan/section/elevation conventions. GNL brings the same rigor to garments — a generative descriptive language where a valid expression is sufficient to construct a garment without ambiguity." AI lmao

SJMG 8mo ago

The 3D view is broken on Safari and Chrome.

kenjackson 8mo ago
The 3D view works on Edge, but the shirt doesn't fit properly and there's only one sleeve and that sleeve doesn't actually have the arm go in the middle of it.
ceroxylon 8mo ago
It is not working on Firefox 147.0.4 either.

nimbus-hn-test 8mo ago

[flagged]

OrionNox 8mo ago

We already have marvelous designer and Clo3d...

arcsincosin 8mo ago

In the examples, there is discrepancy between the source, the diagram, the pieces diagram, and the 3D test each. As someone who is professionally and personally interested in grammars and textiles, I appreciate the fantasy and the vibe of the project but it does not seem to be a functioning demo of anything coherent.

buggymcbugfix 8mo ago
+1. This is 100% hallucinated. Creds: My first programming language was GRAFIS CAD Fachsprache, a parametric pattern drafting software for garments, which incidentally powers our business (https:/liepelt.design—the website and intranet of which we are developing in ur/web btw just to clarify the geek factor!)
jasonwatkinspdx 8mo ago
Yeah, and whoever kicked this off I don't think knows basics of constructing/tailoring clothes. There already is a standardized representation: patterns. Some of the older generation in my family still sew their own clothing using them for fun.

throwaway198846 8mo ago

Is there a service I can upload a file and get one made and shipped to me? Not necessarily this grament language but others. I have an old and unusual garment I want in an adult size.

Animats 8mo ago
Yes, but it's a service for the garment trade, not individuals.[1] They're going to want patterns in an industry standard format. If you need help with the design, that's available, but not cheap. There's a reverse-engineering process for garments, involving laying them out on a light table and taking pictures. That's how you make knockoffs. If the goal is a one-off, not volume production, just find a good custom tailor or costumer. It's going to cost. [1] https://www.hongyuapparel.com/clothing-prototype-manufacturer/ https://www.hongyuapparel.com/clothing-prototype-manufacture...

CrzyLngPwd 8mo ago

This is how a robot thinks of clothing. And humans.

rcsttqisoutofSF 8mo ago

[flagged]

Bjartr 8mo ago
How did you determine the author is a PoC? Even now that you mention it I can't find anything in the repo that tells me anything about the author's demographic. That X profile does appear to be the author's, but I'm not sure how you made that connection since there isn't a link to it in the github repo, or the author's git profile page. Are you suggesting that most people commenting on this, on a site where people often don't even read the linked content are doing more than skimming the github page and saying the first few things that come to mind by taking time to track down the author's posts on other sites to determine their demographic?

meindnoch 8mo ago

This is just slop. Pretty sure this person has no experience in clothes manufacturing.