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No, he did not, and you're repeating some misinformation bit of nonsense that you find in anti-vax ignorance echo chambers. When he first learned about mRNA va

No, he did not, and you're repeating some misinformation bit of nonsense that you find in anti-vax ignorance echo chambers. When he first learned about mRNA vaccines he misunderstood them and was concerned about vaccines "basically modifying people's DNA and RNA to directly encode in a person's DNA and RNA basically the ability to produce those antibodies". This is technically ignorant to the point of being nonsensical, but to be fair he was a layman speculating based upon very limited knowledge about something he just learned about, and it was a casual discussion during the very early days. And let's be fully clear for the antivaxxers among us: Every single plutocrat that pulls the levers that get you riled on your march to becoming Soylent Green got the vaccines. Every single power broker got the vaccines. The antivax nonsense is specifically the realm of the bottom-feeder easily conned contingent, manipulated into some bit of nonsense or other .

ifyoubuildit 8mo ago
> Every single plutocrat that pulls the levers that get you riled on your march to becoming Soylent Green got the vaccines. Every single power broker got the vaccines I'm not saying you're wrong, but I am curious how you came to know this so confidently.
- Covzire 8mo ago
  The amount of regret that exists doesn't fit either, don't forget Biden's warning that those who don't take it will die, the exact opposite of all the fear mongering happened and it's despicable people keep telling all the same lies.
  - llm_nerd 8mo ago
    "Regret"? You mean the grifters conning the waves and waves of incredibly stupid Americans? Do you think the million or so people who died of COVID also might have some regrets? Biden didn't warn that "those who don't take it will die" -- again, why do you people lie constantly about everything? -- he warned that it would be a winter of severe illness and death, which is absolutely, unequivocally, empirically true! In those early days hospitals were legitimately overcrowded with severe cases. Are we pretending that didn't happen now? I mean, you guys really are. It's incredible. I get that America is doing a speed-run to being the dumbest idiocracy on the planet, so you guys have this momentary period where you think you "won". Just be aware that to the entire rest of the planet you are a worldwide farce. A "how not to", and it's incredible how much the super rich conned the masses of the stupid to continually act against their own best interests.
    - Covzire 8mo ago
      By March 2020, the early John's Hopkins data showed a clear trend of those demographics who were actually vulnerable of serious harm, namely the elderly and those with already compromised immune systems. We knew even back then, that children and healthy adults were NOT at risk from COVID-19, even the early strains which were much more virulent than the later ones. It was censored, over and over, by Twitter, Facebook and even HN.
- llm_nerd 8mo ago
  While it's clearly rhetorical bombast and zero readers would assume I've actually polled every person in such a position, anti-vax nonsense is a thing primarily among America's bugeoning and incredibly loud idiocracy.
  - ifyoubuildit 8mo ago
    So basically you have a gut feeling that you feel very passionately, but that we have no way of evaluating. It might be just as likely that zero of the people in such a position took the vaccines for all we know. How is this somehow more enlightened than the idiocracy that you are decrying?
    - llm_nerd 8mo ago
      Ignoring that most, like Trump, just outright admitted it, simple logic dictates that reality. When something has overwhelming scientific and medical evidence in its favour, and the alternative are a bunch of high school dropout conspiracy nuts cheered on by simpletons like Joe Rogan, odds overwhelmingly lean towards the connected and rich going in one direction. Like, this is so blatantly obvious that I find your scepticism laughable.
      - ifyoubuildit 8mo ago
        > Ignoring that most, like Trump, just outright admitted it So if trump said it, it must be true? The rest of what you said could be translated to: "I believe it was such a good idea, all the rich and powerful must have done it". How is this not a gut feeling? My skepticism is solely for your argument, not that these people did or did not take the vaccine, which is something that I consider basically unknowable without a lot of leaps of faith. Edit: in fact, here's my equally unprovable assertion: most people got the vaccine because they didn't want to lose their jobs. Rich and powerful people don't have to worry about that. Therefore fewer of them got the vaccines.
      - cies 8mo ago
        You revert to calling names... It's a clear sign of losing imho. Oh and this picture proves your whole story is, what others here have already pointed out, your "gut feeling" promoted by you as the "science". https://unherd.com/newsroom/the-most-vaccine-hesitant-education-group-of-all-phds/ https://unherd.com/newsroom/the-most-vaccine-hesitant-educat... PHDs take less vaccines. Checkmate.
Izkata 8mo ago
That refutation is ignorance of reverse-transcription enzymes. Our liver cells have been shown to do exactly that in a lab with the Pfizer mRNA vaccine. There have also been studies on long covid showing that some of them still have the mRNA in their system months after it should have broken down. These haven't been linked together as far as I know, but it's definitely plausible.
- llm_nerd 8mo ago
  The liver cell thing was literally cancer cells in vitro, and reverse-transcription doesn't "change your DNA", or your RNA. Some liver cancer cells turning mRNA into cDNA has literally zero connection with changing the DNA of your cells.
  - jobs_throwaway 8mo ago
    For those who like me don't know what you're talking about, this has a decent summary: https://www.chop.edu/parents-pack/evaluating-information/why-scientific-info-different/no-study-does-not-prove-what-you-think-it-does/misinterpreted-science https://www.chop.edu/parents-pack/evaluating-information/why... TLDR: "Covid vaccines alter your DNA" is not an appropriate conclusion from the paper
    - Izkata 8mo ago
      Those are terrible as refutations, all boiling down to "we need more research" instead of actually showing it was wrong in any way. Which is also kind of what I said.
linebug2 8mo ago
even the godamn idiot robert kennedy gave the vax to HIS kids. His kids mustn't die. But the rest of us plebs should rot, right?
cies 8mo ago
You say: > No, he did not Then you continue saying he did say it, but explained himself later (after it came out) in a way that makes his earlier statement void. "Plausible deniability" I'm not anti-vax, I'm critical. This C19-jab was risky and had little to no benefits. That's obvious. Even the Epstein files (probably you also think that those are merely a conspiracy) mention then covid response was orchestrated. I know some really wealthy people and many of them did not take it. Not sure if they go by the definition of plutocrat. You are conned by the pushed narrative: so naive.
- llm_nerd 8mo ago
  Amazing stuff. I'll leave with your mental illness. Good day.

ifyoubuildit 8mo ago

> Every single plutocrat that pulls the levers that get you riled on your march to becoming Soylent Green got the vaccines. Every single power broker got the vaccines I'm not saying you're wrong, but I am curious how you came to know this so confidently.

Covzire 8mo ago
The amount of regret that exists doesn't fit either, don't forget Biden's warning that those who don't take it will die, the exact opposite of all the fear mongering happened and it's despicable people keep telling all the same lies.
- llm_nerd 8mo ago
  "Regret"? You mean the grifters conning the waves and waves of incredibly stupid Americans? Do you think the million or so people who died of COVID also might have some regrets? Biden didn't warn that "those who don't take it will die" -- again, why do you people lie constantly about everything? -- he warned that it would be a winter of severe illness and death, which is absolutely, unequivocally, empirically true! In those early days hospitals were legitimately overcrowded with severe cases. Are we pretending that didn't happen now? I mean, you guys really are. It's incredible. I get that America is doing a speed-run to being the dumbest idiocracy on the planet, so you guys have this momentary period where you think you "won". Just be aware that to the entire rest of the planet you are a worldwide farce. A "how not to", and it's incredible how much the super rich conned the masses of the stupid to continually act against their own best interests.
  - Covzire 8mo ago
    By March 2020, the early John's Hopkins data showed a clear trend of those demographics who were actually vulnerable of serious harm, namely the elderly and those with already compromised immune systems. We knew even back then, that children and healthy adults were NOT at risk from COVID-19, even the early strains which were much more virulent than the later ones. It was censored, over and over, by Twitter, Facebook and even HN.
llm_nerd 8mo ago
While it's clearly rhetorical bombast and zero readers would assume I've actually polled every person in such a position, anti-vax nonsense is a thing primarily among America's bugeoning and incredibly loud idiocracy.
- ifyoubuildit 8mo ago
  So basically you have a gut feeling that you feel very passionately, but that we have no way of evaluating. It might be just as likely that zero of the people in such a position took the vaccines for all we know. How is this somehow more enlightened than the idiocracy that you are decrying?
  - llm_nerd 8mo ago
    Ignoring that most, like Trump, just outright admitted it, simple logic dictates that reality. When something has overwhelming scientific and medical evidence in its favour, and the alternative are a bunch of high school dropout conspiracy nuts cheered on by simpletons like Joe Rogan, odds overwhelmingly lean towards the connected and rich going in one direction. Like, this is so blatantly obvious that I find your scepticism laughable.
    - ifyoubuildit 8mo ago
      > Ignoring that most, like Trump, just outright admitted it So if trump said it, it must be true? The rest of what you said could be translated to: "I believe it was such a good idea, all the rich and powerful must have done it". How is this not a gut feeling? My skepticism is solely for your argument, not that these people did or did not take the vaccine, which is something that I consider basically unknowable without a lot of leaps of faith. Edit: in fact, here's my equally unprovable assertion: most people got the vaccine because they didn't want to lose their jobs. Rich and powerful people don't have to worry about that. Therefore fewer of them got the vaccines.
    - cies 8mo ago
      You revert to calling names... It's a clear sign of losing imho. Oh and this picture proves your whole story is, what others here have already pointed out, your "gut feeling" promoted by you as the "science". https://unherd.com/newsroom/the-most-vaccine-hesitant-education-group-of-all-phds/ https://unherd.com/newsroom/the-most-vaccine-hesitant-educat... PHDs take less vaccines. Checkmate.

Izkata 8mo ago

That refutation is ignorance of reverse-transcription enzymes. Our liver cells have been shown to do exactly that in a lab with the Pfizer mRNA vaccine. There have also been studies on long covid showing that some of them still have the mRNA in their system months after it should have broken down. These haven't been linked together as far as I know, but it's definitely plausible.

llm_nerd 8mo ago
The liver cell thing was literally cancer cells in vitro, and reverse-transcription doesn't "change your DNA", or your RNA. Some liver cancer cells turning mRNA into cDNA has literally zero connection with changing the DNA of your cells.
- jobs_throwaway 8mo ago
  For those who like me don't know what you're talking about, this has a decent summary: https://www.chop.edu/parents-pack/evaluating-information/why-scientific-info-different/no-study-does-not-prove-what-you-think-it-does/misinterpreted-science https://www.chop.edu/parents-pack/evaluating-information/why... TLDR: "Covid vaccines alter your DNA" is not an appropriate conclusion from the paper
  - Izkata 8mo ago
    Those are terrible as refutations, all boiling down to "we need more research" instead of actually showing it was wrong in any way. Which is also kind of what I said.

linebug2 8mo ago

even the godamn idiot robert kennedy gave the vax to HIS kids. His kids mustn't die. But the rest of us plebs should rot, right?

cies 8mo ago

You say: > No, he did not Then you continue saying he did say it, but explained himself later (after it came out) in a way that makes his earlier statement void. "Plausible deniability" I'm not anti-vax, I'm critical. This C19-jab was risky and had little to no benefits. That's obvious. Even the Epstein files (probably you also think that those are merely a conspiracy) mention then covid response was orchestrated. I know some really wealthy people and many of them did not take it. Not sure if they go by the definition of plutocrat. You are conned by the pushed narrative: so naive.

llm_nerd 8mo ago
Amazing stuff. I'll leave with your mental illness. Good day.