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> "enterprise OS", some kind of Salesforce / ERP-like platform where all the data about a business is kept I read this, turn it to "person", and see Google/And

by ethbr1 8mo ago

> "enterprise OS", some kind of Salesforce / ERP-like platform where all the data about a business is kept I read this, turn it to "person", and see Google/Android (maybe Microsoft/Windows/Office to a lesser degree) shooting off if they design their data APIs to be gen AI usable. Which they mostly already are. If individuals can vibe code personal apps easily because their personal/relevant data is already in one place, that's going to be a major tailwind. Sadly, I think Apple is too institutionally cathedral (over bazaar) to keep up with them.

intrasight 8mo ago
Right. You can't vibe code an iOS app because the agent can't step into that cathedral. What I'm curious about is will this result in Apple locking down that cathedral even more or opening it up a bit - for example by better supporting progressive web apps. Apple is benefiting hugely from Openclaw because the Mac Mini's are selling like hot cakes. My hope would be that apple embraces that community, but given the history of the senior leadership, I'm afraid that they will not do so.
- alsetmusic 8mo ago
  > You can't vibe code an iOS app Probably not a feature-complete app, but they're not completely unable to code Swift apps. I wanted to contrast Claude vs Codex and had both build a basic weather app just to see if they could. It wasn't anything anyone would want or buy, but they were both able to do that much.
  - intrasight 8mo ago
    None of them can build an iOS app. They require a human in the loop who has a business relationship with Apple.
    - WarcrimeActual 8mo ago
      This is kind of splitting hairs. The all need humans in the loop to set up hosting, web addressing, databases, etc...
      - intrasight 8mo ago
        You are describing a web site. I'm talking about a native app in the app store.
        alsetmusic 8mo ago
        Yeah, I paid for the dev account and had them build Swift apps. That doesn't mean they can't write the code.
  - alchemism 8mo ago
    I've successfully spec-coded a functional iOS terminal app for proxying Claude Code (and family) from an owned system. It was easy - even the icon and slick splash screen. An Apple Developer Account would be required to deploy it. A free account permits sideloading of a private app.
alsetmusic 8mo ago
> if they design their data APIs to be gen AI usable. Which they mostly already are. Surprisingly (or not), an ArsTechnica article showed that Google's AI browser was really bad at working with their services. At least, for what ought to be an obvious vertical integration win: We let Chrome’s Auto Browse agent surf the web for us—here’s what happened[0] 0. https://arstechnica.com/google/2026/02/tested-how-chromes-auto-browse-agent-handles-common-web-tasks/ https://arstechnica.com/google/2026/02/tested-how-chromes-au...
miki123211 8mo ago
Apple has a different problem, too much of a focus on privacy. Doing AI well (especially on a battery-constrained phone) requires cloud models. SOTA models require Nvidia GPUs (or maybe Trainium / TPUs), definitely not private cloud compute and Mac Minis with no interconnect. I don't think Apple can deliver that, and I don't think they're willing to open up their OS for competitors to do that either.

by ethbr1 8mo ago

intrasight 8mo ago

Right. You can't vibe code an iOS app because the agent can't step into that cathedral. What I'm curious about is will this result in Apple locking down that cathedral even more or opening it up a bit - for example by better supporting progressive web apps. Apple is benefiting hugely from Openclaw because the Mac Mini's are selling like hot cakes. My hope would be that apple embraces that community, but given the history of the senior leadership, I'm afraid that they will not do so.

alsetmusic 8mo ago
> You can't vibe code an iOS app Probably not a feature-complete app, but they're not completely unable to code Swift apps. I wanted to contrast Claude vs Codex and had both build a basic weather app just to see if they could. It wasn't anything anyone would want or buy, but they were both able to do that much.
- intrasight 8mo ago
  None of them can build an iOS app. They require a human in the loop who has a business relationship with Apple.
  - WarcrimeActual 8mo ago
    This is kind of splitting hairs. The all need humans in the loop to set up hosting, web addressing, databases, etc...
    - intrasight 8mo ago
      You are describing a web site. I'm talking about a native app in the app store.
      - alsetmusic 8mo ago
        Yeah, I paid for the dev account and had them build Swift apps. That doesn't mean they can't write the code.
- alchemism 8mo ago
  I've successfully spec-coded a functional iOS terminal app for proxying Claude Code (and family) from an owned system. It was easy - even the icon and slick splash screen. An Apple Developer Account would be required to deploy it. A free account permits sideloading of a private app.

alsetmusic 8mo ago

> if they design their data APIs to be gen AI usable. Which they mostly already are. Surprisingly (or not), an ArsTechnica article showed that Google's AI browser was really bad at working with their services. At least, for what ought to be an obvious vertical integration win: We let Chrome’s Auto Browse agent surf the web for us—here’s what happened[0] 0. https://arstechnica.com/google/2026/02/tested-how-chromes-auto-browse-agent-handles-common-web-tasks/ https://arstechnica.com/google/2026/02/tested-how-chromes-au...

miki123211 8mo ago

Apple has a different problem, too much of a focus on privacy. Doing AI well (especially on a battery-constrained phone) requires cloud models. SOTA models require Nvidia GPUs (or maybe Trainium / TPUs), definitely not private cloud compute and Mac Minis with no interconnect. I don't think Apple can deliver that, and I don't think they're willing to open up their OS for competitors to do that either.