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Months where you’re still required to be paying attention. Meanwhile 2 years ago Mercedes-Benz Drive Pilot a level 3 system let you sit and watch a movie with

by Retric 8mo ago

Months where you’re still required to be paying attention. Meanwhile 2 years ago Mercedes-Benz Drive Pilot a level 3 system let you sit and watch a movie without paying attention to the road. Personally that’s way more useful for me even if they didn’t let you turn it on at highway speeds.

akmarinov 8mo ago
Actually Mercedes killed their Drive Pilot for now https://insideevs.com/news/784404/mercedes-level-3-drive-pilot-canceled/ https://insideevs.com/news/784404/mercedes-level-3-drive-pil...
- Retric 8mo ago
  They canceled it because of poor adoption rather than any technical issues. Which if anything looks worse for Tesla long term. If luxury car owners aren’t willing to pay 200$/month for self driving then trying to up charge people buying used model 3 and Y’s after canceling the S and X looks dubious. Which means that 100$/month subscription likely loses them money vs an 8k purchase.
  - loandbehold 8mo ago
    Mercedes system was pretty useless because you could only use it in very limited conditions (specific freeways, only following another car). Nobody wants to pay $200/month to use it for 5% of their driving. Tesla FSD drives for you end-to-end.
    - Retric 8mo ago
      Most people have a rather consistent commute, so the Mercedes was a more like a 0% or 80% kind of thing. The issue was adding more roads wasn’t going to help, the underlying benefit to attention free driving just wasn’t that valuable even to customers who could use the system regularly. They are looking to reintroduce it with a much higher top of 81MPH which might help, but agin my issue isn’t with the particular system but the underlying assumption of how much people value attention free driving.
panick21_ 8mo ago
People need to stop with this. The MB system was level 3 on like 0.1% of roads only in 5% of cases when you actually where on that road. That's kind of like saying 'look this algorithm is awesome' if we feed it all the data in the optimal order.

by Retric 8mo ago

akmarinov 8mo ago

Actually Mercedes killed their Drive Pilot for now https://insideevs.com/news/784404/mercedes-level-3-drive-pilot-canceled/ https://insideevs.com/news/784404/mercedes-level-3-drive-pil...

Retric 8mo ago
They canceled it because of poor adoption rather than any technical issues. Which if anything looks worse for Tesla long term. If luxury car owners aren’t willing to pay 200$/month for self driving then trying to up charge people buying used model 3 and Y’s after canceling the S and X looks dubious. Which means that 100$/month subscription likely loses them money vs an 8k purchase.
- loandbehold 8mo ago
  Mercedes system was pretty useless because you could only use it in very limited conditions (specific freeways, only following another car). Nobody wants to pay $200/month to use it for 5% of their driving. Tesla FSD drives for you end-to-end.
  - Retric 8mo ago
    Most people have a rather consistent commute, so the Mercedes was a more like a 0% or 80% kind of thing. The issue was adding more roads wasn’t going to help, the underlying benefit to attention free driving just wasn’t that valuable even to customers who could use the system regularly. They are looking to reintroduce it with a much higher top of 81MPH which might help, but agin my issue isn’t with the particular system but the underlying assumption of how much people value attention free driving.

panick21_ 8mo ago

People need to stop with this. The MB system was level 3 on like 0.1% of roads only in 5% of cases when you actually where on that road. That's kind of like saying 'look this algorithm is awesome' if we feed it all the data in the optimal order.