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> Tesla came from nowhere, developed essentially one world-dominating product (lumping the 3 and Y together), then the CEO basically ruined everything. It seem

> Tesla came from nowhere, developed essentially one world-dominating product (lumping the 3 and Y together), then the CEO basically ruined everything. It seems strange to attribute only the fall -- and not the rise -- to the CEO

jimbob45 8mo ago
Shhhh we’re pretending that China wasn’t behind the massive propaganda campaign against Tesla to boost the popularity of their own BYD brand.
- throwerxyz 8mo ago
  I'm surprised people are forgetting that the person who predicted the coming wars against his personality was himself. He basically told everyone what was coming... then it came and people still fell for it. Elon is a loser socially and that's about it.
  - Tarq0n 8mo ago
    DOGE and the nazi sale happened. That's not just problematic social media posting.
    - throwerxyz 8mo ago
      DOGE promised the world and delivered small wins. The normal politician does this and does not deliver a single win.
      - Braxton1980 8mo ago
        And people hate politicians
- wolvoleo 8mo ago
  No, he's done that all by himself sorry. Turns out nazi salutes don't make one popular here in Europe.
- schubidubiduba 8mo ago
  I find it highly unlikely that the Chinese drove him to donthe Nazi salute
adfm 8mo ago
It seems strange to talk of attribution without talking about the founders.
- panick21_ 8mo ago
  Lets be real, the original founders drove the start up against the wall and Tesla was a complete disaster before Musk took over the company. Not to mention that they wouldn't even have gotten that far without Musk money and JD.
- petesergeant 8mo ago
  Does it though? The company had no market traction or product, more just an idea and some early engineering exploration in the nine months before he joined. I’m staunchly anti-Elon, but anyone who’s not giving him his due or acknowledging his very real successes before pointing out what a knob is he is not arguing soundly.
throwerxyz 8mo ago
There exists a huge amount of Musk derangement syndrome these days. Elon Musk is a great businessman and develops great products for general consumers. There is not much wrong with him other than his online persona... which most normal people can ignore. He's probably more normal than any other business leader. What's weird is people lumping in some of Elon's actions with falls in Tesla sales as if he didn't: 1. Predict it 2. Gift the whole world the motivation to do it I don't care about Elon Musk. He's a good businessman and a weird personality. But it doesn't take a genius to realise that he can't lead a winning product unchallenged, forever.
- tsimionescu 8mo ago
  Elon Musk is a fascist sympathizer who is currently being investigated in at least one European country for election interference, a known lier who has promised level 5 self driving by the end of the year every year since 2018 or so, landing people on Mars by next year since 2022, Tesla electric truck cheaper than rail, "today", in 2020, and many others.
  - throwerxyz 8mo ago
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- stackghost 8mo ago
  >Elon Musk is a great businessman and develops great products for general consumers. The only thing he's great at is creating the illusion of genius. He didn't found Tesla, despite his title. He's not an engineer at SpaceX, despite his title. He spent 44 billion on Twitter which is most certainly losing money hand over fist. The Boring Company is a flop. Tesla is famously anything but a car company because their cars are mediocre in every way except the battery range. SpaceX is his only real success, but then again SpaceX only succeeded because of massive government funding, which Elon would happily decry as communism if the money went to anyone else. He's not a genius and not a particularly good businessman. He's just a normie with Daddy's emerald mine money, who got lucky with a large severance package when he was fired from Paypal for being terrible, and now uses his wealth to create a cult of personality.

jimbob45 8mo ago

Shhhh we’re pretending that China wasn’t behind the massive propaganda campaign against Tesla to boost the popularity of their own BYD brand.

throwerxyz 8mo ago
I'm surprised people are forgetting that the person who predicted the coming wars against his personality was himself. He basically told everyone what was coming... then it came and people still fell for it. Elon is a loser socially and that's about it.
- Tarq0n 8mo ago
  DOGE and the nazi sale happened. That's not just problematic social media posting.
  - throwerxyz 8mo ago
    DOGE promised the world and delivered small wins. The normal politician does this and does not deliver a single win.
    - Braxton1980 8mo ago
      And people hate politicians
wolvoleo 8mo ago
No, he's done that all by himself sorry. Turns out nazi salutes don't make one popular here in Europe.
schubidubiduba 8mo ago
I find it highly unlikely that the Chinese drove him to donthe Nazi salute

adfm 8mo ago

It seems strange to talk of attribution without talking about the founders.

panick21_ 8mo ago
Lets be real, the original founders drove the start up against the wall and Tesla was a complete disaster before Musk took over the company. Not to mention that they wouldn't even have gotten that far without Musk money and JD.
petesergeant 8mo ago
Does it though? The company had no market traction or product, more just an idea and some early engineering exploration in the nine months before he joined. I’m staunchly anti-Elon, but anyone who’s not giving him his due or acknowledging his very real successes before pointing out what a knob is he is not arguing soundly.

throwerxyz 8mo ago

There exists a huge amount of Musk derangement syndrome these days. Elon Musk is a great businessman and develops great products for general consumers. There is not much wrong with him other than his online persona... which most normal people can ignore. He's probably more normal than any other business leader. What's weird is people lumping in some of Elon's actions with falls in Tesla sales as if he didn't: 1. Predict it 2. Gift the whole world the motivation to do it I don't care about Elon Musk. He's a good businessman and a weird personality. But it doesn't take a genius to realise that he can't lead a winning product unchallenged, forever.

tsimionescu 8mo ago
Elon Musk is a fascist sympathizer who is currently being investigated in at least one European country for election interference, a known lier who has promised level 5 self driving by the end of the year every year since 2018 or so, landing people on Mars by next year since 2022, Tesla electric truck cheaper than rail, "today", in 2020, and many others.
- throwerxyz 8mo ago
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stackghost 8mo ago
>Elon Musk is a great businessman and develops great products for general consumers. The only thing he's great at is creating the illusion of genius. He didn't found Tesla, despite his title. He's not an engineer at SpaceX, despite his title. He spent 44 billion on Twitter which is most certainly losing money hand over fist. The Boring Company is a flop. Tesla is famously anything but a car company because their cars are mediocre in every way except the battery range. SpaceX is his only real success, but then again SpaceX only succeeded because of massive government funding, which Elon would happily decry as communism if the money went to anyone else. He's not a genius and not a particularly good businessman. He's just a normie with Daddy's emerald mine money, who got lucky with a large severance package when he was fired from Paypal for being terrible, and now uses his wealth to create a cult of personality.