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The only way is just to cede the land and move on. Keep the people alive. 100 years later one can renegotiate. This kind of copium hope wishing the economy coll
by Haven880 8mo ago
The only way is just to cede the land and move on. Keep the people alive. 100 years later one can renegotiate. This kind of copium hope wishing the economy collapse or something like Mongol collapse is just not practical. The longer this drag on, the lesser fertile men exist in Ukraine and the population recovery will take even longer while Russian outbirth in the long run. Sometime to win one has to abide by time. Joan or Arc and King Goujian of Yue demonstrated that principle well either by divine intervention or human vengeance. Russia is doing very well. You can check with your Russians or Northern China friends that see the conditions with their eyes and not western propaganda.
- TiredOfLife 8mo agoThey already ceded huge amount of land in 2014. And 8 years later russia invaded again.
- drysine 8mo agoNo, the Ukraine didn't cede anything. They cut water and electricity to Crimea to punish Crimeans and they were building up the army with Western help.
- TiredOfLife 8mo agoWhat you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this site is now dumber for having read it.
- don_esteban 8mo agoCare to substantiate your rambling incoherent response?
- tim333 8mo agoThey don't just want land though. They want 'denazification' which means overthrowing the government and making it like Belarus or Bucha. I think the way is to support Ukraine to win rather than the 'escalation management' of Biden or the taking bribes to pressure Ukraine to surrender of Trump. They are not doing so badly recently. 200 sq km taken back last week.
- don_esteban 8mo agoRe: I think the way is to support Ukraine to win Nice in theory, now put that in practice. Care to share how to achieve that? Especially since Ukraine is running low on men. Should we (the West) send men to fight in Ukraine? What else would make a difference? Do we really want WW3? Ukraine is not doing great. Selective news selection, notwithstanding. They did occupy some territory in Kursk, did not help them much in the long run either. 'Denazification' means 'regime change', the western standard. Its just that the US is much better at it. We view Belarus as a total vassal of Putin. Still, there were/are no Belarusian soldiers fighting in Ukraine. That could not have been said about e.g. European soldiers in Afghanistan, or UK soldiers in Iraq. We keep insisting on Ukraine in NATO ... well, now it is not sure thing there will be a meaningful NATO around by the time the Ukraine war ends.
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- fatbird 8mo agoUkraine has an 800k+ man army, and has rejected expansion of conscription to those under 27. They literally have everyone under 27 left to conscript. They're not facing a manpower shortage. That's Russian propaganda. No one is insisting on Ukraine in NATO. NATO has been continually refusing, officially and unofficially, membership for Ukraine because it's actively involved in a war. The NATO charter automatically rejects membership for any party actively engaged in hostilities, defensively or otherwise. Ukraine will never be in NATO unless it has an actual peace with Russia. Talk of Ukraine joining NATO is, again, Russian disinformation trying to blame NATO expansion for Russia's invasion of Ukraine.