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“A crash with a bus while the Tesla vehicle was stopped” Hmmmm. This guy must have a huge short position

stahtops 8mo ago
Fascinating to cherry pick while trying to color an article as biased. Couldn’t even include an entire sentence? “The incidents included a collision with a fixed object at 17 miles per hour, a crash with a bus while the Tesla vehicle was stopped, a crash with a truck at four miles per hour, and two cases where Tesla vehicles backed into fixed objects at low speeds.”
decimalenough 8mo ago
That phrasing gave me a chuckle as well. Nevertheless, the accidents per miles driven stats don't assign blame: Tesla is now "experiencing" a crash every 57,000 mi, vs the US statistical human driver average of 229,000 miles and Waymo's claimed ~500,000 mi per "incident". https://waymo.com/safety/impact/ https://waymo.com/safety/impact/
- simondotau 8mo ago
  There are no reliable statistics on how often human drivers bump into static objects at 1 mph, but I am quite certain it's more often than every 229,000 miles.
hn_throwaway_99 8mo ago
And you must have a long position if you're going to cherry pick so egregiously. The other incidents from that same paragraph that you conveniently left out: * a collision with a fixed object at 17 miles per hour * a crash with a truck at four miles per hour * two cases where Tesla vehicles backed into fixed objects at low speeds. So in the 5 cases listed in that paragraph, 3 of them were when a Tesla hit a stationary object. Hitting a stationary object should be like the last thing I would think an autonomous vehicle would have trouble with, but if you got rid of lidar and radar because Elon had a fever dream, maybe it's not so unexpected.
- testing22321 8mo ago
  I get it, there’s been a ton of crashes and it’s BAD. The article would carry more weight if it didn’t throw in a bus hitting a stationary Tesla.

Fascinating to cherry pick while trying to color an article as biased. Couldn’t even include an entire sentence? “The incidents included a collision with a fixed object at 17 miles per hour, a crash with a bus while the Tesla vehicle was stopped, a crash with a truck at four miles per hour, and two cases where Tesla vehicles backed into fixed objects at low speeds.”

decimalenough 8mo ago

That phrasing gave me a chuckle as well. Nevertheless, the accidents per miles driven stats don't assign blame: Tesla is now "experiencing" a crash every 57,000 mi, vs the US statistical human driver average of 229,000 miles and Waymo's claimed ~500,000 mi per "incident". https://waymo.com/safety/impact/ https://waymo.com/safety/impact/

simondotau 8mo ago
There are no reliable statistics on how often human drivers bump into static objects at 1 mph, but I am quite certain it's more often than every 229,000 miles.

hn_throwaway_99 8mo ago

And you must have a long position if you're going to cherry pick so egregiously. The other incidents from that same paragraph that you conveniently left out: * a collision with a fixed object at 17 miles per hour * a crash with a truck at four miles per hour * two cases where Tesla vehicles backed into fixed objects at low speeds. So in the 5 cases listed in that paragraph, 3 of them were when a Tesla hit a stationary object. Hitting a stationary object should be like the last thing I would think an autonomous vehicle would have trouble with, but if you got rid of lidar and radar because Elon had a fever dream, maybe it's not so unexpected.

testing22321 8mo ago
I get it, there’s been a ton of crashes and it’s BAD. The article would carry more weight if it didn’t throw in a bus hitting a stationary Tesla.