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What do we “need” more of? Here in France we need more doctors, more nurseries, more teachers… I don’t see AI helping much there in short to middle term (with t

by yoz-y 8mo ago

What do we “need” more of? Here in France we need more doctors, more nurseries, more teachers… I don’t see AI helping much there in short to middle term (with teachers all research points to AI making it massively worse even) Globally I think we need better access to quality nutrition and more affordable medicine. Generally cheaper energy.

drivebyhooting 8mo ago
Isn’t the end game that all the displaced SWEs give up their cushy, flexible job and get retrained as nurses?
- mvcalder 8mo ago
  Wait, my job is not cushy. I think hard all day long, I endure levels of frustration that would cripple most, and I do it because I have no choice, I must build the thing I see or be tormented by its possibility. Cushy? Right.
  - toyg 8mo ago
    This is the most "1st world problems" comment I've read today.
    - dakolli 8mo ago
      How is that 1st world, there are plenty of people that "think hard" and deal with really hard problems in the "3rd World" Give compiler engineering for medical devices a whirl for 14 hours a day for a month or so and let me know if you think it's "cushy". Not everything is making apps and games, sometimes your mistakes can mean life or death. Lots of SWE isn't cushy at all, or necessarily well paid. Go get a bachelors and masters in EE while being eating just two bowls of rice and lentils everyday for 5 years and let me know if that's cushy.
      - toyg 8mo ago
        As compared to risking life and limbs every day in a mine, breathing in cancerous powders, finding yourself with most of your joints fucked at 45, likely carrying PTSD from accidents happened to you or your colleagues... Yes, "hard thinking" looks pretty cushy in comparison. Have you any idea how many people die every day on their workplace in manufacturing, construction, or mining; or how many develop chronic issues from agriculture...? And all for salaries that are a tenth of the average developer (in the developed world; elsewhere, more like a hundredth). Come on now. Everyone has problems and everyone is entitled to feel aggrieved by their condition, but one should maintain a reasonable degree of perspective at all times.
  - slopinthebag 8mo ago
    That sounds and is incredibly cushy lmao
Otterly99 8mo ago
Counter-argument: what if LLMs can help alleviate a doctor's work by providing quick diagnostic for simple cases? How much time does a doctor spend writing prescriptions for cough-like symptoms? How much time does an ophthalmologist spend measuring eye sight? I totally agree that this is a bit of a radical opinion, and not everybody would be pleased with the idea of a program making diagnosis, so I am not fully advocating for it, but I think that we should not limit the potential of AI. Also, to point out to France specifically. We need more teachers, yet new teachers are treated as commodities (you have to relocate to wherever the Education nationale tells you to go and in most cases, that means new teachers are relocated to difficult areas). We need more doctors, yet the number of new doctors each year is fixed by the number of people that are allowed to pass the exam.

by yoz-y 8mo ago

drivebyhooting 8mo ago

Isn’t the end game that all the displaced SWEs give up their cushy, flexible job and get retrained as nurses?

mvcalder 8mo ago
Wait, my job is not cushy. I think hard all day long, I endure levels of frustration that would cripple most, and I do it because I have no choice, I must build the thing I see or be tormented by its possibility. Cushy? Right.
- toyg 8mo ago
  This is the most "1st world problems" comment I've read today.
  - dakolli 8mo ago
    How is that 1st world, there are plenty of people that "think hard" and deal with really hard problems in the "3rd World" Give compiler engineering for medical devices a whirl for 14 hours a day for a month or so and let me know if you think it's "cushy". Not everything is making apps and games, sometimes your mistakes can mean life or death. Lots of SWE isn't cushy at all, or necessarily well paid. Go get a bachelors and masters in EE while being eating just two bowls of rice and lentils everyday for 5 years and let me know if that's cushy.
    - toyg 8mo ago
      As compared to risking life and limbs every day in a mine, breathing in cancerous powders, finding yourself with most of your joints fucked at 45, likely carrying PTSD from accidents happened to you or your colleagues... Yes, "hard thinking" looks pretty cushy in comparison. Have you any idea how many people die every day on their workplace in manufacturing, construction, or mining; or how many develop chronic issues from agriculture...? And all for salaries that are a tenth of the average developer (in the developed world; elsewhere, more like a hundredth). Come on now. Everyone has problems and everyone is entitled to feel aggrieved by their condition, but one should maintain a reasonable degree of perspective at all times.
- slopinthebag 8mo ago
  That sounds and is incredibly cushy lmao

Otterly99 8mo ago

Counter-argument: what if LLMs can help alleviate a doctor's work by providing quick diagnostic for simple cases? How much time does a doctor spend writing prescriptions for cough-like symptoms? How much time does an ophthalmologist spend measuring eye sight? I totally agree that this is a bit of a radical opinion, and not everybody would be pleased with the idea of a program making diagnosis, so I am not fully advocating for it, but I think that we should not limit the potential of AI. Also, to point out to France specifically. We need more teachers, yet new teachers are treated as commodities (you have to relocate to wherever the Education nationale tells you to go and in most cases, that means new teachers are relocated to difficult areas). We need more doctors, yet the number of new doctors each year is fixed by the number of people that are allowed to pass the exam.