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Electrek is a highly biased source, the editor has a grudge against Elon and Tesla. It's really unfortunate since it used to be one of the best EV sites.

by pnw 8mo ago

jp0d 8mo ago
Are the facts presented in the article incorrect?
- testing22321 8mo ago
  One of them is a bus hitting a stationary Tesla - hard to paint that as the teslas fault. A few are low speed reversing into things, the extreme majority of which done by humans are never reported and are not in the dataset comparing how many crashes Tesla have had vs humans. I would say they’re facts, but they’re being used dishonesty
  - youarentrightjr 8mo ago
    > One of them is a bus hitting a stationary Tesla - hard to paint that as the teslas fault. Since the narratives are redacted, who's to say the Tesla didn't change lanes to be in front of the bus, slam on the brakes, then get rear ended? Or pull partially out of a driveway, stopping and blocking a lane with a bus traveling 35mph in said lane and got hit by it? > A few are low speed reversing into things, the extreme majority of which done by humans are never reported and are not in the dataset comparing how many crashes Tesla have had vs humans. I'm sure this happens to humans all the time, but not a single one of those humans would be considered a good (or even decent) driver.
    - testing22321 8mo ago
      > not a single one of those humans would be considered a good (or even decent) driver. So is the bar here being a good or decent driver, or being x times worse than the average human? I see a lot of bar moving.
      - youarentrightjr 8mo ago
        > So is the bar here being a good or decent driver, or being x times worse than the average human? > I see a lot of bar moving. "Less than decent" means "worse than the average human driver". I've never hit a stationary object, or any object for that matter, in 20 years of driving. I understand that might not be the same for you. My bar is that it must be better than my own good driving.
        testing22321 8mo ago
        That is a completely made up bar that is impossible to test for, and can never be met. Even Waymo have tons of reported crashes in the same document. Self driving cars need to be better than the average human - which means less injuries and deaths. Given 100 people will be killed on the road in the US today, it’s actually not a crazy high bar to clear.
        youarentrightjr 8mo ago
        > That is a completely made up bar that is impossible to test for, and can never be met. My own bar being a self driving car better than me is made up and impossible to test for? Stop trying to force shitty self driving implementations down other's throats. If they were good and useful, people would voluntarily use them. > Self driving cars need to be better than the average human And Teslas are obviously not, to everyone except the terminally brainwashed. Two more weeks until it works though, right?
        testing22321 8mo ago
        I’m not shoving anything. I don’t make the laws. If you don’t like them, elect different representatives. Your bar is irrelevant, this isn’t about you, personally. This is about everyone.
cn-watch 8mo ago
still is the best ev site. the elon cult is every bit as bad as maga
- pnw 8mo ago
  It's not the best EV site when all of the coverage of the US market leader is so incredibly slanted due to personal politics of the editor.
  - rsynnott 8mo ago
    Tesla is not the market leader in BEVs. It's BYD (2.25m 2025), then Tesla (1.6m), then VW AG (1 million). Given the current growth/shrinkage rates (33% growth for VW AG, 9% drop for Tesla), they'll be third in a year or so.
  - JumpinJack_Cash 8mo ago
    Of course if you are accostumed with the Elon and Tesla glazing 2002-2024 , critique and scrutiny feels like oppression. It's always like that. The poor billionaire soon trillionaire is getting bullied by the blogger. Not. Do you even realize how dumb that sounds?
pardon_me 8mo ago
You could say the same in reverse about HN.
- rglynn 8mo ago
  In reverse? What do you mean exactly? As someone who is neither an Elon fan nor a hater, it irks me how deranged HN is about anything Musk-related.
mmooss 8mo ago
Is there evidence of that? No matter who is criticizing Musk's companies, they will get slandered in one way or nother, which doesn't mean Electrek isn't biased.

Electrek is a highly biased source, the editor has a grudge against Elon and Tesla. It's really unfortunate since it used to be one of the best EV sites.

by pnw 8mo ago

Electrek is a highly biased source, the editor has a grudge against Elon and Tesla. It's really unfortunate since it used to be one of the best EV sites.

jp0d 8mo ago

Are the facts presented in the article incorrect?

testing22321 8mo ago
One of them is a bus hitting a stationary Tesla - hard to paint that as the teslas fault. A few are low speed reversing into things, the extreme majority of which done by humans are never reported and are not in the dataset comparing how many crashes Tesla have had vs humans. I would say they’re facts, but they’re being used dishonesty
- youarentrightjr 8mo ago
  > One of them is a bus hitting a stationary Tesla - hard to paint that as the teslas fault. Since the narratives are redacted, who's to say the Tesla didn't change lanes to be in front of the bus, slam on the brakes, then get rear ended? Or pull partially out of a driveway, stopping and blocking a lane with a bus traveling 35mph in said lane and got hit by it? > A few are low speed reversing into things, the extreme majority of which done by humans are never reported and are not in the dataset comparing how many crashes Tesla have had vs humans. I'm sure this happens to humans all the time, but not a single one of those humans would be considered a good (or even decent) driver.
  - testing22321 8mo ago
    > not a single one of those humans would be considered a good (or even decent) driver. So is the bar here being a good or decent driver, or being x times worse than the average human? I see a lot of bar moving.
    - youarentrightjr 8mo ago
      > So is the bar here being a good or decent driver, or being x times worse than the average human? > I see a lot of bar moving. "Less than decent" means "worse than the average human driver". I've never hit a stationary object, or any object for that matter, in 20 years of driving. I understand that might not be the same for you. My bar is that it must be better than my own good driving.
      - testing22321 8mo ago
        That is a completely made up bar that is impossible to test for, and can never be met. Even Waymo have tons of reported crashes in the same document. Self driving cars need to be better than the average human - which means less injuries and deaths. Given 100 people will be killed on the road in the US today, it’s actually not a crazy high bar to clear.
        youarentrightjr 8mo ago
        > That is a completely made up bar that is impossible to test for, and can never be met. My own bar being a self driving car better than me is made up and impossible to test for? Stop trying to force shitty self driving implementations down other's throats. If they were good and useful, people would voluntarily use them. > Self driving cars need to be better than the average human And Teslas are obviously not, to everyone except the terminally brainwashed. Two more weeks until it works though, right?
        testing22321 8mo ago
        I’m not shoving anything. I don’t make the laws. If you don’t like them, elect different representatives. Your bar is irrelevant, this isn’t about you, personally. This is about everyone.

cn-watch 8mo ago

still is the best ev site. the elon cult is every bit as bad as maga

pnw 8mo ago
It's not the best EV site when all of the coverage of the US market leader is so incredibly slanted due to personal politics of the editor.
- rsynnott 8mo ago
  Tesla is not the market leader in BEVs. It's BYD (2.25m 2025), then Tesla (1.6m), then VW AG (1 million). Given the current growth/shrinkage rates (33% growth for VW AG, 9% drop for Tesla), they'll be third in a year or so.
- JumpinJack_Cash 8mo ago
  Of course if you are accostumed with the Elon and Tesla glazing 2002-2024 , critique and scrutiny feels like oppression. It's always like that. The poor billionaire soon trillionaire is getting bullied by the blogger. Not. Do you even realize how dumb that sounds?

pardon_me 8mo ago

You could say the same in reverse about HN.

rglynn 8mo ago
In reverse? What do you mean exactly? As someone who is neither an Elon fan nor a hater, it irks me how deranged HN is about anything Musk-related.

mmooss 8mo ago

Is there evidence of that? No matter who is criticizing Musk's companies, they will get slandered in one way or nother, which doesn't mean Electrek isn't biased.