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> Even getting the currently occupied land back is mostly optional. That's only true in the short term. If Russia gets out of the war with Ukraine with territ

> Even getting the currently occupied land back is mostly optional. That's only true in the short term. If Russia gets out of the war with Ukraine with territory gains, that only serves as incentive to start up again after Russia can regroup. After all, Putin's stated long-term goal is to take the entire country (among others) and restore the USSR. Of course, taking back the occupied land is also easier said than done, as it would severely weaken Putin domestically to have expended all these resources and lives for nothing. There's no way he can allow that. Both countries are in a catch-22.

ivan_gammel 8mo ago
> After all, Putin's stated long-term goal is to take the entire country (among others) and restore the USSR. This was never a stated goal.
- majewsky 8mo ago
  > "I have said many times that the Russian and Ukrainian people are one nation, in fact. In this sense, all of Ukraine is ours [...] But you know we have an old parable, an old rule: wherever a Russian soldier steps, it is ours." https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/6/27/putin-confirms-he-wants-all-of-ukraine-as-europe-steps-up-military-aid https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/6/27/putin-confirms-...
  - ivan_gammel 8mo ago
    I’m well aware of this quote. It does not imply that there was at any moment of time a goal to seize the entire Ukraine or to restore USSR.
    - clort 8mo ago
      That they sent special forces to Kyiv to take over the government on the first days of the invasion is not implication?
      - ivan_gammel 8mo ago
        Is Venezuela US state now or not? Also, looking at Russian track record specifically, is Georgia, which was militarily defeated in 2008, part of Russia? Did they formally annex Abkhazia or Transnistria? Does Lukashenko report to Putin?
phicoh 8mo ago
There is the issue that Russia tends to attack weak countries. The Baltic countries are small and also something Russia would like to have. But part of NATO. Ukraine was seen as easy to take over. But that was clearly a wrong assessment.

ivan_gammel 8mo ago

> After all, Putin's stated long-term goal is to take the entire country (among others) and restore the USSR. This was never a stated goal.

majewsky 8mo ago
> "I have said many times that the Russian and Ukrainian people are one nation, in fact. In this sense, all of Ukraine is ours [...] But you know we have an old parable, an old rule: wherever a Russian soldier steps, it is ours." https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/6/27/putin-confirms-he-wants-all-of-ukraine-as-europe-steps-up-military-aid https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/6/27/putin-confirms-...
- ivan_gammel 8mo ago
  I’m well aware of this quote. It does not imply that there was at any moment of time a goal to seize the entire Ukraine or to restore USSR.
  - clort 8mo ago
    That they sent special forces to Kyiv to take over the government on the first days of the invasion is not implication?
    - ivan_gammel 8mo ago
      Is Venezuela US state now or not? Also, looking at Russian track record specifically, is Georgia, which was militarily defeated in 2008, part of Russia? Did they formally annex Abkhazia or Transnistria? Does Lukashenko report to Putin?

phicoh 8mo ago

There is the issue that Russia tends to attack weak countries. The Baltic countries are small and also something Russia would like to have. But part of NATO. Ukraine was seen as easy to take over. But that was clearly a wrong assessment.