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> legal liability is on the person who posts it, not who hosts the tool. In the specific case of grok posting deepfake nudes on X. Doesn't X both create and po

by zardo 8mo ago

> legal liability is on the person who posts it, not who hosts the tool. In the specific case of grok posting deepfake nudes on X. Doesn't X both create and post the deepfake? My understanding was, Bob replies in Alice's thread, "@grok make a nude photo of Alice" then grok replies in the thread with the fake photo.

Retric 8mo ago
That specific action is still instigated by Bob. Where grok is at risk is not responding after they are notified of the issue. It’s trivial for grock to ban some keywords here and they aren’t, that’s a legal issue.
- zardo 8mo ago
  Sure Bob is instigating the harassment, then X.com is actually doing the harassment. Or at least, that's the case plaintiff's attorneys are surely going to be arguing.
  - InvertedRhodium 8mo ago
    I don't see how it's fundamentally any different to mailing someone harassing messages or distressing objects. Sure, in this context the person who mails the item is the one instigating the harassment but it's the postal network that's facilitating it and actually performing the "last mile" of harassment.
    - zardo 8mo ago
      The difference is the post office isn't writing the letter.
      - deleted 8mo ago
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    - Retric 8mo ago
      The very first time it happened X is likely off the hook. However notification plays a role here, there’s a bunch of things the post office does if someone tries to use them to do this regularly and you ask the post office to do something. The issue therefore is if people complain and then X does absolutely nothing while having a plethora of reasonable options to stop this harassment. https://faq.usps.com/s/article/What-Options-Do-I-Have-Regarding-Unwanted-Unsolicited-Mail https://faq.usps.com/s/article/What-Options-Do-I-Have-Regard... You may file PS Form 1500 at a local Post Office to prevent receipt of unwanted obscene materials in the mail or to stop receipt of "obscene" materials in the mail. The Post Office offers two programs to help you protect yourself (and your eligible minor children).
    - Timon3 8mo ago
      Grok posts the pictures publicly, everyone can see them. The postal network transports a letter, and only the person reading the letter can see the contents. These situations are in no way comparable.
- ImPostingOnHN 8mo ago
  if grok never existed and X instead ran a black-box-implementation "press button receive CP" webapp, X would be legally culpable and liable each time a user pressed the button, for production plus distribution the same is true if the webapp has a blank "type what you want I'll make it for you" field and the user types "CP" and the webapp makes it.

by zardo 8mo ago

Retric 8mo ago

That specific action is still instigated by Bob. Where grok is at risk is not responding after they are notified of the issue. It’s trivial for grock to ban some keywords here and they aren’t, that’s a legal issue.

zardo 8mo ago
Sure Bob is instigating the harassment, then X.com is actually doing the harassment. Or at least, that's the case plaintiff's attorneys are surely going to be arguing.
- InvertedRhodium 8mo ago
  I don't see how it's fundamentally any different to mailing someone harassing messages or distressing objects. Sure, in this context the person who mails the item is the one instigating the harassment but it's the postal network that's facilitating it and actually performing the "last mile" of harassment.
  - zardo 8mo ago
    The difference is the post office isn't writing the letter.
    - deleted 8mo ago
      [deleted]
  - Retric 8mo ago
    The very first time it happened X is likely off the hook. However notification plays a role here, there’s a bunch of things the post office does if someone tries to use them to do this regularly and you ask the post office to do something. The issue therefore is if people complain and then X does absolutely nothing while having a plethora of reasonable options to stop this harassment. https://faq.usps.com/s/article/What-Options-Do-I-Have-Regarding-Unwanted-Unsolicited-Mail https://faq.usps.com/s/article/What-Options-Do-I-Have-Regard... You may file PS Form 1500 at a local Post Office to prevent receipt of unwanted obscene materials in the mail or to stop receipt of "obscene" materials in the mail. The Post Office offers two programs to help you protect yourself (and your eligible minor children).
  - Timon3 8mo ago
    Grok posts the pictures publicly, everyone can see them. The postal network transports a letter, and only the person reading the letter can see the contents. These situations are in no way comparable.
ImPostingOnHN 8mo ago
if grok never existed and X instead ran a black-box-implementation "press button receive CP" webapp, X would be legally culpable and liable each time a user pressed the button, for production plus distribution the same is true if the webapp has a blank "type what you want I'll make it for you" field and the user types "CP" and the webapp makes it.