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My take away is: it's roughly as good as Opus 4.5. Now the question is: how much faster or cheaper is it?

by nubg 8mo ago

eleventyseven 8mo ago
> That's a long document. Probably written by LLMs, for LLMs
freeqaz 8mo ago
If it maintains the same price (with Anthropic tends to do or undercuts themselves) then this would be 1/3rd of the price of Opus. Edit: Yep, same price. "Pricing remains the same as Sonnet 4.5, starting at $3/$15 per million tokens."
- Bishonen88 8mo ago
  3 is not 1/3 of 5 tho. Opus costs $5/$25
sxg 8mo ago
How can you determine whether it's as good as Opus 4.5 within minutes of release? The quantitative metrics don't seem to mean much anymore. Noticing qualitative differences seems like it would take dozens of conversations and perhaps days to weeks of use before you can reliably determine the model's quality.
- johntarter 8mo ago
  Just look at the testimonials at the bottom of introduction page, there are at least a dozen companies such as Replit, Cursor, and Github that have early access. Perhaps the GP is an employee of one of these companies.
vidarh 8mo ago
Given that the price remains the same as Sonnet 4.5, this is the first time I've been tempted to lower my default model choice.
Bishonen88 8mo ago
40% cheaper: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/about-claude/pricing https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/about-claude/pricing
- worldsavior 8mo ago
  How does it work exactly? How this model is cheaper and has the same perf as Opus 4.5?
  - anthonypasq 8mo ago
    this is called progress
    - metaltyphoon 8mo ago
      Or, we can bleed out cash for a very long time.
    - worldsavior 8mo ago
      I'm asking technically how progress works. What is actually being improved here
      - anthonypasq 8mo ago
        mostly cost of hardware going down. as models scale, nvidia produces a new hardware generation that outputs more tokens per watt, but those speed gains get eaten by the fact that the model is bigger ie. more expensive to serve. Also we have no clue whether Anthropics inference margin is compressing or not and they just want to maintain the price.
  - red2awn 8mo ago
    Distilling from a teacher (Opus 4.5) and scaling RL more.
    - worldsavior 8mo ago

My take away is: it's roughly as good as Opus 4.5. Now the question is: how much faster or cheaper is it?

by nubg 8mo ago

My take away is: it's roughly as good as Opus 4.5. Now the question is: how much faster or cheaper is it?

eleventyseven 8mo ago

> That's a long document. Probably written by LLMs, for LLMs

freeqaz 8mo ago

If it maintains the same price (with Anthropic tends to do or undercuts themselves) then this would be 1/3rd of the price of Opus. Edit: Yep, same price. "Pricing remains the same as Sonnet 4.5, starting at $3/$15 per million tokens."

Bishonen88 8mo ago
3 is not 1/3 of 5 tho. Opus costs $5/$25

sxg 8mo ago

How can you determine whether it's as good as Opus 4.5 within minutes of release? The quantitative metrics don't seem to mean much anymore. Noticing qualitative differences seems like it would take dozens of conversations and perhaps days to weeks of use before you can reliably determine the model's quality.

johntarter 8mo ago
Just look at the testimonials at the bottom of introduction page, there are at least a dozen companies such as Replit, Cursor, and Github that have early access. Perhaps the GP is an employee of one of these companies.

vidarh 8mo ago

Given that the price remains the same as Sonnet 4.5, this is the first time I've been tempted to lower my default model choice.

Bishonen88 8mo ago

40% cheaper: https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/about-claude/pricing https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/about-claude/pricing

worldsavior 8mo ago
How does it work exactly? How this model is cheaper and has the same perf as Opus 4.5?
- anthonypasq 8mo ago
  this is called progress
  - metaltyphoon 8mo ago
    Or, we can bleed out cash for a very long time.
  - worldsavior 8mo ago
    I'm asking technically how progress works. What is actually being improved here
    - anthonypasq 8mo ago
      mostly cost of hardware going down. as models scale, nvidia produces a new hardware generation that outputs more tokens per watt, but those speed gains get eaten by the fact that the model is bigger ie. more expensive to serve. Also we have no clue whether Anthropics inference margin is compressing or not and they just want to maintain the price.
- red2awn 8mo ago
  Distilling from a teacher (Opus 4.5) and scaling RL more.
  - worldsavior 8mo ago