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Free speech goes as far as the people who defend it. CBS and its parent company are greedy cowards. If they won't defend free speech they're the ones causing

Free speech goes as far as the people who defend it. CBS and its parent company are greedy cowards. If they won't defend free speech they're the ones causing its downfall. Governments rule only with the consent of the people. If you lay down and give away your freedoms you aren't the victim, you're the perpetrator.

croes 9mo ago
Victim blaming? Greedy for trying to stay in business. If you didn’t fight hard enough it’s your fault? You let the government of the hook to easily. By your logic you‘re a perpetrator too because he don’t blame the real bad guy
- mikkupikku 9mo ago
  If you give in and comply without a fight, are you actually a victim or are you actually a collaborator? CBS is controlled by Ellison, which makes this look a lot like collaboration.
  - croes 9mo ago
    > If you give in and comply without a fight, are you actually a victim or are you actually a collaborator? That is victim blaming. Heard the same from judges about rape victims. > CBS is controlled by Ellison, which makes this look a lot like collaboration. That changes this completely. That isn’t being a coward, that’s just good old quid pro quo from billionaire buddies.
    - mikkupikku 9mo ago
      We're not talking about rape, and you're begging the question.
      - croes 9mo ago
        Your statement just reminded me of a judge who said something similiar to a rape victim.
    - QuercusMax 9mo ago
      First off, corporations are not people, so your argument is insane from the beginning. Were the leaders of Vichy France victims? No, they were collaborators.
      - croes 9mo ago
        Corporations are plenty of people with jobs and families that depend on that jobs. Where all the people of France that didn't choose to fight to their death collaborators? Where all the people in the concentartion camps collaborators. Do you blame them or the real perpetrator? I find it strange to put the blame on the middleman instead on the source of all that.
        QuercusMax 8mo ago
        Corporations are made of people in the same way that Soylent Green is made of people. Your argument is incoherent. There's a difference between not fighting and obeying in advance.
        croes 8mo ago
        So if a corporation makes bad decisions and goes bankrupt the people in the corporation aren’t affected? Without people there is no corporation. And I‘m pretty sure the people in corporations are still alive so your Soylent Green example is nonsense. > There's a difference between not fighting and obeying in advance. Sometimes not. If you know in advance what will happen, not fighting can be the better option. At least for the moment.
- hackyhacky 9mo ago
  > Greedy for trying to stay in business. If CBS were headed by someone with gumption and less willingness to kowtow to the government, they could resist this pressure and still be fine. Worst case scenario, a merger would get rejected and they would be targeted by some spurious lawsuits. Going out of business is not a realistic risk. What is a risk, however, is non-optimal shareholder value. We live in a world where the stock price is more important than anything else, including doing the right thing.
  - thatnerdyguy 9mo ago
    > they could resist this pressure and still be fine Precisely. See also: TACO
  - croes 9mo ago
    There are lots of things that where unthinkable before Trump. But it seems this is just business between billionaire buddies
  - johannes1234321 9mo ago
    For CVS the stock price isn't the driver. It's owned to 77% by the Ellison family, who certainly want to make a buck, but also want political influence and control.
- colechristensen 9mo ago
  Yes. I'm blaming victims. If you're suffering from government oppression and you go home and cry instead of stand up for your rights, I'm blaming you for your oppression. You're only a victim if you die with your boots on, so to speak.
  - croes 9mo ago
    You can do that if you are responsible for yourself but there are lots of people with jobs behind that. It’s not on you to decide they have to die with you. But the fact that Trump buddy Ellison owns CBS takes that in a completely new direction.
    - colechristensen 9mo ago
      I'm not engaging with someone arguing the point of appeasing, bootlicking cowards.
      - croes 9mo ago
        Can’t decide, is this a strawman or ad hominem. Beside this case I guess you never where responsible for hundreds of peoples lives. Or maybe talk to some mothers and fathers what they endure to protect their families what you would call appeasement.
- tclancy 9mo ago
  How is CBS a victim here? They have shown by their actions (Bari Weiss, the 60 Minutes neutering, etc) they are fully backing what Larry Ellison and Sons want them to pump out. This isn't victim blaming, it's pointing out a complicit conspirator.

croes 9mo ago

Victim blaming? Greedy for trying to stay in business. If you didn’t fight hard enough it’s your fault? You let the government of the hook to easily. By your logic you‘re a perpetrator too because he don’t blame the real bad guy

mikkupikku 9mo ago
If you give in and comply without a fight, are you actually a victim or are you actually a collaborator? CBS is controlled by Ellison, which makes this look a lot like collaboration.
- croes 9mo ago
  > If you give in and comply without a fight, are you actually a victim or are you actually a collaborator? That is victim blaming. Heard the same from judges about rape victims. > CBS is controlled by Ellison, which makes this look a lot like collaboration. That changes this completely. That isn’t being a coward, that’s just good old quid pro quo from billionaire buddies.
  - mikkupikku 9mo ago
    We're not talking about rape, and you're begging the question.
    - croes 9mo ago
      Your statement just reminded me of a judge who said something similiar to a rape victim.
  - QuercusMax 9mo ago
    First off, corporations are not people, so your argument is insane from the beginning. Were the leaders of Vichy France victims? No, they were collaborators.
    - croes 9mo ago
      Corporations are plenty of people with jobs and families that depend on that jobs. Where all the people of France that didn't choose to fight to their death collaborators? Where all the people in the concentartion camps collaborators. Do you blame them or the real perpetrator? I find it strange to put the blame on the middleman instead on the source of all that.
      - QuercusMax 8mo ago
        Corporations are made of people in the same way that Soylent Green is made of people. Your argument is incoherent. There's a difference between not fighting and obeying in advance.
        croes 8mo ago
        So if a corporation makes bad decisions and goes bankrupt the people in the corporation aren’t affected? Without people there is no corporation. And I‘m pretty sure the people in corporations are still alive so your Soylent Green example is nonsense. > There's a difference between not fighting and obeying in advance. Sometimes not. If you know in advance what will happen, not fighting can be the better option. At least for the moment.
hackyhacky 9mo ago
> Greedy for trying to stay in business. If CBS were headed by someone with gumption and less willingness to kowtow to the government, they could resist this pressure and still be fine. Worst case scenario, a merger would get rejected and they would be targeted by some spurious lawsuits. Going out of business is not a realistic risk. What is a risk, however, is non-optimal shareholder value. We live in a world where the stock price is more important than anything else, including doing the right thing.
- thatnerdyguy 9mo ago
  > they could resist this pressure and still be fine Precisely. See also: TACO
- croes 9mo ago
  There are lots of things that where unthinkable before Trump. But it seems this is just business between billionaire buddies
- johannes1234321 9mo ago
  For CVS the stock price isn't the driver. It's owned to 77% by the Ellison family, who certainly want to make a buck, but also want political influence and control.
colechristensen 9mo ago
Yes. I'm blaming victims. If you're suffering from government oppression and you go home and cry instead of stand up for your rights, I'm blaming you for your oppression. You're only a victim if you die with your boots on, so to speak.
- croes 9mo ago
  You can do that if you are responsible for yourself but there are lots of people with jobs behind that. It’s not on you to decide they have to die with you. But the fact that Trump buddy Ellison owns CBS takes that in a completely new direction.
  - colechristensen 9mo ago
    I'm not engaging with someone arguing the point of appeasing, bootlicking cowards.
    - croes 9mo ago
      Can’t decide, is this a strawman or ad hominem. Beside this case I guess you never where responsible for hundreds of peoples lives. Or maybe talk to some mothers and fathers what they endure to protect their families what you would call appeasement.
tclancy 9mo ago
How is CBS a victim here? They have shown by their actions (Bari Weiss, the 60 Minutes neutering, etc) they are fully backing what Larry Ellison and Sons want them to pump out. This isn't victim blaming, it's pointing out a complicit conspirator.