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>It's much riskier to hire the wrong employee now. If a bad hire is made, it takes around 2 quarters to build the paper trail needed to be litigation-proof when

>It's much riskier to hire the wrong employee now. If a bad hire is made, it takes around 2 quarters to build the paper trail needed to be litigation-proof when firing. Now? That's been the case since at least the 1980s, at least in non-union jobs. What makes you think things were different before the "now" you reference?

alephnerd 8mo ago
> What makes you think things were different before the "now" you reference? Unemployment insurance premiums. [0] Employers pay variable UI premiums and state UI funds now use Experience Ratings to increase insurance premiums on those companies where employees are not being fired for-cause, and states are challenging for-cause because the majority of state unemployment funds remain insolvent after 2008 and 2020 [1]. As such, UI funds have an incentive to challenge a for-cause termination in order to justify increasing the insurance premium for an employer. > That's been the case since at least the 1980s, at least in non-union jobs States weren't attempting to increase premiums on employees to the same degree as they are today versus the 1980s. Most UI funds in the US entered insolvency in 2008 and never recovered, and whoever scraped by in 2008 got whammied in 2020 during the COVID pandemic. [0] - https://smallbusiness.chron.com/employers-unemployment-rate-up-after-firing-employee-36395.html https://smallbusiness.chron.com/employers-unemployment-rate-... [1] - https://oui.doleta.gov/unemploy/docs/trustFundSolvReport2025.pdf https://oui.doleta.gov/unemploy/docs/trustFundSolvReport2025...
- nobody9999 8mo ago
  >Employers pay variable UI premiums and state UI funds now use Experience Ratings to increase insurance premiums on those companies where employees are not being fired for-cause That's as may be, but we're specifically talking about firing people for cause, which makes the terminated employee ineligible for UI benefits. And even if it was as you say, unemployment insurance is just another cost of doing business and, as such, is tax deductible as a business expense. The wall of text notwithstanding, your "argument" is sorely lacking in relevance to the topic at hand. I tried reading your diatribe as if it were in good faith, but the best I could do WRT that was assume you were uninformed. Have a good day and I wish you nothing but happiness and success.

alephnerd 8mo ago

> What makes you think things were different before the "now" you reference? Unemployment insurance premiums. [0] Employers pay variable UI premiums and state UI funds now use Experience Ratings to increase insurance premiums on those companies where employees are not being fired for-cause, and states are challenging for-cause because the majority of state unemployment funds remain insolvent after 2008 and 2020 [1]. As such, UI funds have an incentive to challenge a for-cause termination in order to justify increasing the insurance premium for an employer. > That's been the case since at least the 1980s, at least in non-union jobs States weren't attempting to increase premiums on employees to the same degree as they are today versus the 1980s. Most UI funds in the US entered insolvency in 2008 and never recovered, and whoever scraped by in 2008 got whammied in 2020 during the COVID pandemic. [0] - https://smallbusiness.chron.com/employers-unemployment-rate-up-after-firing-employee-36395.html https://smallbusiness.chron.com/employers-unemployment-rate-... [1] - https://oui.doleta.gov/unemploy/docs/trustFundSolvReport2025.pdf https://oui.doleta.gov/unemploy/docs/trustFundSolvReport2025...

nobody9999 8mo ago
>Employers pay variable UI premiums and state UI funds now use Experience Ratings to increase insurance premiums on those companies where employees are not being fired for-cause That's as may be, but we're specifically talking about firing people for cause, which makes the terminated employee ineligible for UI benefits. And even if it was as you say, unemployment insurance is just another cost of doing business and, as such, is tax deductible as a business expense. The wall of text notwithstanding, your "argument" is sorely lacking in relevance to the topic at hand. I tried reading your diatribe as if it were in good faith, but the best I could do WRT that was assume you were uninformed. Have a good day and I wish you nothing but happiness and success.