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What about device attestation? Will you be able to run banking apps and Netflix et. al.? For me the biggest concern is that while you may be able to use and ru

by choeger 8mo ago

What about device attestation? Will you be able to run banking apps and Netflix et. al.? For me the biggest concern is that while you may be able to use and run your own device, you will be locked out of most propietary services. Much like how more and more websites simply don't work with Firefox anymore.

lawn 8mo ago
All Swedish banking apps I've tried works great. Including BankID, swish, Sparbanken, Nordea, LF, Revolut and more. I've had less issues than with CalyxOS for example, where more apps broke.
buzzwords 8mo ago
This might be one of those things were if there is big enough user base, companies will start to take it seriously.
- strcat 8mo ago
  Nearly all non-banking apps work with very few exceptions. A large majority of banking apps work. A growing number of banking apps were adding checks for Google certification but now a growing number of those are explicitly allowing GrapheneOS via the Android hardware-based attestation system it supports which can be used to verify the hardware, OS and app with an alternate OS or non-Google-certified hardware if it adds the hardware support for it.
xnacly 8mo ago
Well i do use banking and netflix on graphene os on my pixel 8a and everything works perfectly
ThePowerOfFuet 8mo ago
Netflix and almost all banking apps work fine. https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu... https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/ https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...
galangalalgol 8mo ago
I only use Firefox. It has been years since I ran into a chrome only website. Though recently I ran into an edge only websit on my corporate network, not even sure how that happens.
domh 8mo ago
Here's a community maintained list of apps and whether or not they work: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/ https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa... This is linked to from the Banking Apps section on GrapheneOS docs: https://grapheneos.org/usage#banking-apps https://grapheneos.org/usage#banking-apps Sample size of 1: my UK banking apps all work fine.
drnick1 8mo ago
> For me the biggest concern is that while you may be able to use and run your own device, you will be locked out of most propietary services. Although this is not the case, moving away from proprietary services (and self-hosting your own) is an important goal in itself. See for instance the recent controversy regarding Discord's age verification.

by choeger 8mo ago

lawn 8mo ago

All Swedish banking apps I've tried works great. Including BankID, swish, Sparbanken, Nordea, LF, Revolut and more. I've had less issues than with CalyxOS for example, where more apps broke.

buzzwords 8mo ago

This might be one of those things were if there is big enough user base, companies will start to take it seriously.

strcat 8mo ago
Nearly all non-banking apps work with very few exceptions. A large majority of banking apps work. A growing number of banking apps were adding checks for Google certification but now a growing number of those are explicitly allowing GrapheneOS via the Android hardware-based attestation system it supports which can be used to verify the hardware, OS and app with an alternate OS or non-Google-certified hardware if it adds the hardware support for it.

xnacly 8mo ago

Well i do use banking and netflix on graphene os on my pixel 8a and everything works perfectly

ThePowerOfFuet 8mo ago

Netflix and almost all banking apps work fine. https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu... https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/ https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...

galangalalgol 8mo ago

I only use Firefox. It has been years since I ran into a chrome only website. Though recently I ran into an edge only websit on my corporate network, not even sure how that happens.

domh 8mo ago

Here's a community maintained list of apps and whether or not they work: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/ https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa... This is linked to from the Banking Apps section on GrapheneOS docs: https://grapheneos.org/usage#banking-apps https://grapheneos.org/usage#banking-apps Sample size of 1: my UK banking apps all work fine.

drnick1 8mo ago

> For me the biggest concern is that while you may be able to use and run your own device, you will be locked out of most propietary services. Although this is not the case, moving away from proprietary services (and self-hosting your own) is an important goal in itself. See for instance the recent controversy regarding Discord's age verification.