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I’m just afraid that prices of $everything will go up soon and will not come down anymore, like they did after Covid. If it’s temporary I can live with it. I

I’m just afraid that prices of $everything will go up soon and will not come down anymore, like they did after Covid. If it’s temporary I can live with it. I guess this was inevitable with the absolute insane money being poured into AI.

FrankBooth 9mo ago
We useless eaters are to be priced out of life soon enough.
- dgxyz 9mo ago
  Traditionally that hasn't gone well for the rich folk.
  - Eddy_Viscosity2 9mo ago
    It also hasn't gone well for the non-rich folk either.
- brador 9mo ago
  Truer than even you dare to admit. How many useless living humans do you know? They go somewhere. Something happens to them. Whatever it is it’s about to happen to 30% of the population. What’s the opposite of survivor bias?
  - malfist 9mo ago
    It takes a profound lack of empathy to refer to your neighbors as "useless living humans"
    - scarecrowbob 9mo ago
      Furthermore, it's usually just plain dangerous.
    - brador 9mo ago
      It is meant in the capitalist sense. Your horror at the statement is the point.
      - munksbeer 8mo ago
        Capitalism relies on consumers. It's pretty much central to the idea. That's why the world on average (median) has gotten wealthier and better off over the decades.
        brador 8mo ago
        Capitalism relies on the circulation of capital. Consumers are an anomaly. Citation: nvidia/openai circular loans network.
  - BobaFloutist 9mo ago
    > How many useless living humans do you know? Oh, I can think of about 77 million right off the top of my head.
cube00 9mo ago
>If it’s temporary I can live with it. Given this has been going on for years at this point, the high prices of graphics cards through crypto and now AI, it feels like this is the new normal, forever propped up by the next grift.
- dgxyz 9mo ago
  I don't think this ideology and investment strategy will survive this grift. There's too much geopolitical instability and investment restructuring for it to work again. Everyone is looking at isolationist policies. I mean mastercard/visa is even seen as a risk outside US now.
  - lazide 9mo ago
    Yup, when you can’t trust partners (or even nominal allies), what else is there but isolationism?
    - iso1631 9mo ago
      cooperation. Sure you have to isolate certain rogue states - North Korea, Russia, USA. Always the way.
    - dgxyz 9mo ago
      It's not really isolation but exclusion. Push all risks as far away from you as possible.
      - lazide 9mo ago
        When everything ‘outside’ is a risk, what would you call a summary of that policy?
        dgxyz 9mo ago
        Well a risk has an abstract level and is either increasing or decreasing. You can look at your risk profile over time and work out how to define policy going forwards. It takes a long time to make changes at country level. US is medium risk and increasing rapidly. Run away quickly.
roysting 9mo ago
Traps tend to only go one way.
buran77 9mo ago
> I’m just afraid that prices of $everything will go up soon and will not come down anymore, like they did after Covid. That's how inflation works. In this case it seems more narrow though, there's hope the prices will go down. Especially if the AI hype finds a reason to flounder.
iso1631 9mo ago
> I’m just afraid that prices of $everything will go up soon and will not come down anymore, like they did after Covid. Just like the price of labour. Your salary went up and doesn't come down In the UK weekly earnings increased 34% from December 2019 to December 2025. CPI went up 30% in the same period. Obviously that CPI covers things which went up more, and things which went up less, and your personal inflation will be different to everyone elses. Petrol prices end of Jan 2020 were 128p a litre, end of Jan 2025 they are 132p a litre [0]. Indeed petrol prices were 132p in January 2013. If you drive 40,000 miles a year you will thus see far lower inflation than someone who doesn't drive. [0] https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/fuel-watch/ https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/fuel-watch/
- iso1631 8mo ago
  Amazing how many people on the internet refuse to accept basic facts
stogot 9mo ago
I am afraid my NAS will have a hard drive failure, and I won’t be able to order replacements. I should’ve bought a back up
- wolvoleo 9mo ago
  Exactly, me too and at 10 years it's gonna happen :(
  - knowitnone3 9mo ago
    [dead]
ethbr1 9mo ago
> If it’s temporary I can live with it. I guess this was inevitable with the absolute insane money being poured into AI. Hyperscalars refresh hardware and firesale old stock. ~2028 is going to see a lot of high power refurb supply hit the market.
- Analemma_ 9mo ago
  Do they? When I was at AWS in 2019-2021 there were some servers in the fleet— not many, but they definitely existed— which dated to before 2010. Maybe it depends on the type:class, but I think hyperscalers run hardware until it dies, then junk it. Where have you seen hyperscaler hardware for sale?
  - ethbr1 9mo ago
    Non-standard racks (Meta?) started showing up on the aftermarket around the time that Meta and a few other folks were the only ones using them. Forget the details, as it's been a decade+, but everything gets junked at some point. They're almost always stripped down, then sold as board+chassis only.
  - phil21 9mo ago
    I've seen plenty of stuff from google and meta datacenters on the market. Had some weirdo AMD GPUs that were GCP-only that were offered to folks if you bought in bulk quantity. A whole ton of whitebox Ethernet switches from Facebook were on the market a number of years ago. Lots of weird stuff like OCP 25G NICs that only were bought in quantity by hyperscalers as well come out in waves. You don't see a lot of these things hit eBay and traditional "used marketplaces" but they are out there if you know where to look and have connections with liquidators. You're unlikely to get deals on a few here and there though unless the market becomes absolutely saturated - usually hundreds are MoQ for a lot of these things. Storage will be unlikely to see as the risk:reward for a giant company usually is too great. If data was ever written to them, typically they will be shredded vs. secure wiped. Very few large corporations want to take the risk of some liquidator either not running a proper wipe process or something slipping through the cracks. Even with encrypted drives I haven't seen much in quantity hit unless they were quite literally never utilized and straight pulls from large JBOD orders or the like. However, ServerDirect and other places seem to have cracked this nut a little bit considering the number of refurb drives they run through - not sure what their sources are though. Certainly not hyperscaler levels in any case.
wolvoleo 9mo ago
Many prices didn't really even come down much after COVID. GPU prices never went back to normal. Harddrives neither, I bought 14TB drives 10 years ago for €200, they've never been that low again.

FrankBooth 9mo ago

We useless eaters are to be priced out of life soon enough.

dgxyz 9mo ago
Traditionally that hasn't gone well for the rich folk.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 9mo ago
  It also hasn't gone well for the non-rich folk either.
brador 9mo ago
Truer than even you dare to admit. How many useless living humans do you know? They go somewhere. Something happens to them. Whatever it is it’s about to happen to 30% of the population. What’s the opposite of survivor bias?
- malfist 9mo ago
  It takes a profound lack of empathy to refer to your neighbors as "useless living humans"
  - scarecrowbob 9mo ago
    Furthermore, it's usually just plain dangerous.
  - brador 9mo ago
    It is meant in the capitalist sense. Your horror at the statement is the point.
    - munksbeer 8mo ago
      Capitalism relies on consumers. It's pretty much central to the idea. That's why the world on average (median) has gotten wealthier and better off over the decades.
      - brador 8mo ago
        Capitalism relies on the circulation of capital. Consumers are an anomaly. Citation: nvidia/openai circular loans network.
- BobaFloutist 9mo ago
  > How many useless living humans do you know? Oh, I can think of about 77 million right off the top of my head.

cube00 9mo ago

>If it’s temporary I can live with it. Given this has been going on for years at this point, the high prices of graphics cards through crypto and now AI, it feels like this is the new normal, forever propped up by the next grift.

dgxyz 9mo ago
I don't think this ideology and investment strategy will survive this grift. There's too much geopolitical instability and investment restructuring for it to work again. Everyone is looking at isolationist policies. I mean mastercard/visa is even seen as a risk outside US now.
- lazide 9mo ago
  Yup, when you can’t trust partners (or even nominal allies), what else is there but isolationism?
  - iso1631 9mo ago
    cooperation. Sure you have to isolate certain rogue states - North Korea, Russia, USA. Always the way.
  - dgxyz 9mo ago
    It's not really isolation but exclusion. Push all risks as far away from you as possible.
    - lazide 9mo ago
      When everything ‘outside’ is a risk, what would you call a summary of that policy?
      - dgxyz 9mo ago
        Well a risk has an abstract level and is either increasing or decreasing. You can look at your risk profile over time and work out how to define policy going forwards. It takes a long time to make changes at country level. US is medium risk and increasing rapidly. Run away quickly.

roysting 9mo ago

Traps tend to only go one way.

buran77 9mo ago

> I’m just afraid that prices of $everything will go up soon and will not come down anymore, like they did after Covid. That's how inflation works. In this case it seems more narrow though, there's hope the prices will go down. Especially if the AI hype finds a reason to flounder.

iso1631 9mo ago

> I’m just afraid that prices of $everything will go up soon and will not come down anymore, like they did after Covid. Just like the price of labour. Your salary went up and doesn't come down In the UK weekly earnings increased 34% from December 2019 to December 2025. CPI went up 30% in the same period. Obviously that CPI covers things which went up more, and things which went up less, and your personal inflation will be different to everyone elses. Petrol prices end of Jan 2020 were 128p a litre, end of Jan 2025 they are 132p a litre [0]. Indeed petrol prices were 132p in January 2013. If you drive 40,000 miles a year you will thus see far lower inflation than someone who doesn't drive. [0] https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/fuel-watch/ https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/fuel-watch/

iso1631 8mo ago
Amazing how many people on the internet refuse to accept basic facts

stogot 9mo ago

I am afraid my NAS will have a hard drive failure, and I won’t be able to order replacements. I should’ve bought a back up

wolvoleo 9mo ago
Exactly, me too and at 10 years it's gonna happen :(
- knowitnone3 9mo ago
  [dead]

ethbr1 9mo ago

> If it’s temporary I can live with it. I guess this was inevitable with the absolute insane money being poured into AI. Hyperscalars refresh hardware and firesale old stock. ~2028 is going to see a lot of high power refurb supply hit the market.

Analemma_ 9mo ago
Do they? When I was at AWS in 2019-2021 there were some servers in the fleet— not many, but they definitely existed— which dated to before 2010. Maybe it depends on the type:class, but I think hyperscalers run hardware until it dies, then junk it. Where have you seen hyperscaler hardware for sale?
- ethbr1 9mo ago
  Non-standard racks (Meta?) started showing up on the aftermarket around the time that Meta and a few other folks were the only ones using them. Forget the details, as it's been a decade+, but everything gets junked at some point. They're almost always stripped down, then sold as board+chassis only.
- phil21 9mo ago
  I've seen plenty of stuff from google and meta datacenters on the market. Had some weirdo AMD GPUs that were GCP-only that were offered to folks if you bought in bulk quantity. A whole ton of whitebox Ethernet switches from Facebook were on the market a number of years ago. Lots of weird stuff like OCP 25G NICs that only were bought in quantity by hyperscalers as well come out in waves. You don't see a lot of these things hit eBay and traditional "used marketplaces" but they are out there if you know where to look and have connections with liquidators. You're unlikely to get deals on a few here and there though unless the market becomes absolutely saturated - usually hundreds are MoQ for a lot of these things. Storage will be unlikely to see as the risk:reward for a giant company usually is too great. If data was ever written to them, typically they will be shredded vs. secure wiped. Very few large corporations want to take the risk of some liquidator either not running a proper wipe process or something slipping through the cracks. Even with encrypted drives I haven't seen much in quantity hit unless they were quite literally never utilized and straight pulls from large JBOD orders or the like. However, ServerDirect and other places seem to have cracked this nut a little bit considering the number of refurb drives they run through - not sure what their sources are though. Certainly not hyperscaler levels in any case.

wolvoleo 9mo ago

Many prices didn't really even come down much after COVID. GPU prices never went back to normal. Harddrives neither, I bought 14TB drives 10 years ago for €200, they've never been that low again.