Very true, looking at the types and state of the cars in there car park and haveing a chat with the smoking cabals outside fire exits is often a easier way to g

Very true, looking at the types and state of the cars in there car park and haveing a chat with the smoking cabals outside fire exits is often a easier way to get a answear to some degree. But indirectly asking questions is the way and it is those clever ways that are the types of questions i'm realy interested in, like my question about ISO/BS standards, it opend them up to so much more than a simple yes and no and gives you insight into other area's. Like working conditions, are they documented well, badly, not at all, do they even know about those standards, is it something there looking at (often crops up that last answear on many area's sadly). Is the pay individual perofmance based or team based and is it limited/capped in that if I do 200% better am I capped at some rate of inflation % rise anyhow. I also like to ask about problems, what was the worst day like this past year and why and how likely is that to happen again. That tells you alot about so many area's and also opens them up into telling you how it is as well as allowing you to highlight your relevant skills and chip in with did you try this or that at the right times, even if you agree and play noddy whilst they talk. One I always ask is can I have a look around the office, the area were I would be working if I was to be offered a position. That is useful in guaging there interest as if they are not interested they will come up with a reason why they can't do that, if they are keen for that you can see what your dealing with and also get a good feel from the way others have there desks decorated. Be they anal, stuffed south park toys, simpsons posters, collection of 2600 mags. Those type of things, you can get a feel on many levels from that. Asking them how long they have been there is another good one, longer the better, but if they sound bitter then you can take that as not a good sign as well. Though if there two hyper only been there few months then they are sadly not realy able to give you a a true picture, so again take advantage of there hyper still all new to me as well fun happy time mood and take a look around.