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Worked out pretty well for Finland, has it not?

by gspetr 8mo ago

artem2471 8mo ago
Finland inflicted a serious military victory over ussr, actually had a possibility of Allies joining in Winter War, and fought with ussr in 1941-1945. After all that it got its neutral position, not only by ceding some land, but actively resisting. Meanwhile Baltic states lost their sovereignty for 50 years.
- pandaman 8mo ago
  Finland had an offer from the USSR to swap some land for double the size elsewhere. After the "serious military victory over ussr" it lost that land plus some more for the total of 11% of its area, including its second largest city. >and fought with ussr in 1941-1945 That is a very hilarious way to say that Finland allied with Nazis and got crushed again.
  - artem2471 8mo ago
    Finland retained its independence. There was a clear designation of Finland as Soviet zone of influence in Molotov Ribbentrop protocol, every other country in that zone was conquered.
    - pandaman 8mo ago
      >Finland retained its independence. As same as all other Axis powers and their allies, nobody wanted to annex them.
Gud 8mo ago
No, it hasn’t. They lost a large chunk of land and every male still needs to spend one year of their life defending their country.
- gspetr 8mo ago
  "They lost a large chunk of land" I've asked Gemini. Interestingly, they were offered over 2x as much territory in exchange for 1.5% of their land. Curiously, Wikipedia doesn't mention that in the Winter War article. They lost 10-11% after WW2. Which deal was better? "every male still needs to spend one year of their life" Not 1 year. Gemini says it's 6-12 months, and several European countries not bordering the big bad fit that criteria. Who exactly is after Austria, which has conscription, but has been neutral since basically the entire cold war? Or the famously neutral Switzerland? "No, it hasn’t." Top Export Partners (2019) The total value of Finnish goods exports in 2019 was approximately $72.84 billion. 1. Germany: $10.44 billion (14.33% share) 2. Sweden: $7.47 billion (10.26% share) 3. United States: $5.20 billion (7.14% share) 4. Netherlands: $4.34 billion (5.95% share) 5. Russia: $4.02 billion (5.51% share) 6. China: $3.84 billion (5.28% share) Top Import Partners (2019) 1. Germany: $11.42 billion (15.49% share) 2. Russia: $10.01 billion (13.57% share) 3. Sweden: $8.16 billion (11.06% share) 4. China: $5.49 billion (7.45% share) 5. Netherlands: $3.29 billion (4.46% share) 6. United States: $2.48 billion (3.37% share) Nominal GDP per Capita in 2019 (2019 US dollars): United States: $65,281 Finland: $48,629 Germany: $46,793 Yep, didn't work out well at all.
  - beAbU 8mo ago
    > I've asked Gemini I don't think this has the intended effect you are hoping for.
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  - dietr1ch 8mo ago
    What a scary world where history is left to AIs. Imagine the Taiwan copypasta being used against you. > Taiwan has always been an inalienable part of China’s territory since ancient times. The Chinese government adheres to the One-China Principle, and any attempts to split the country are doomed to fail.
- docdeek 8mo ago

Worked out pretty well for Finland, has it not?

by gspetr 8mo ago

Worked out pretty well for Finland, has it not?

Finland inflicted a serious military victory over ussr, actually had a possibility of Allies joining in Winter War, and fought with ussr in 1941-1945. After all that it got its neutral position, not only by ceding some land, but actively resisting. Meanwhile Baltic states lost their sovereignty for 50 years.

pandaman 8mo ago
Finland had an offer from the USSR to swap some land for double the size elsewhere. After the "serious military victory over ussr" it lost that land plus some more for the total of 11% of its area, including its second largest city. >and fought with ussr in 1941-1945 That is a very hilarious way to say that Finland allied with Nazis and got crushed again.
- artem2471 8mo ago
  Finland retained its independence. There was a clear designation of Finland as Soviet zone of influence in Molotov Ribbentrop protocol, every other country in that zone was conquered.
  - pandaman 8mo ago
    >Finland retained its independence. As same as all other Axis powers and their allies, nobody wanted to annex them.

Gud 8mo ago

No, it hasn’t. They lost a large chunk of land and every male still needs to spend one year of their life defending their country.

gspetr 8mo ago
"They lost a large chunk of land" I've asked Gemini. Interestingly, they were offered over 2x as much territory in exchange for 1.5% of their land. Curiously, Wikipedia doesn't mention that in the Winter War article. They lost 10-11% after WW2. Which deal was better? "every male still needs to spend one year of their life" Not 1 year. Gemini says it's 6-12 months, and several European countries not bordering the big bad fit that criteria. Who exactly is after Austria, which has conscription, but has been neutral since basically the entire cold war? Or the famously neutral Switzerland? "No, it hasn’t." Top Export Partners (2019) The total value of Finnish goods exports in 2019 was approximately $72.84 billion. 1. Germany: $10.44 billion (14.33% share) 2. Sweden: $7.47 billion (10.26% share) 3. United States: $5.20 billion (7.14% share) 4. Netherlands: $4.34 billion (5.95% share) 5. Russia: $4.02 billion (5.51% share) 6. China: $3.84 billion (5.28% share) Top Import Partners (2019) 1. Germany: $11.42 billion (15.49% share) 2. Russia: $10.01 billion (13.57% share) 3. Sweden: $8.16 billion (11.06% share) 4. China: $5.49 billion (7.45% share) 5. Netherlands: $3.29 billion (4.46% share) 6. United States: $2.48 billion (3.37% share) Nominal GDP per Capita in 2019 (2019 US dollars): United States: $65,281 Finland: $48,629 Germany: $46,793 Yep, didn't work out well at all.
- beAbU 8mo ago
  > I've asked Gemini I don't think this has the intended effect you are hoping for.
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- dietr1ch 8mo ago
  What a scary world where history is left to AIs. Imagine the Taiwan copypasta being used against you. > Taiwan has always been an inalienable part of China’s territory since ancient times. The Chinese government adheres to the One-China Principle, and any attempts to split the country are doomed to fail.
docdeek 8mo ago