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Ceding territory to end the war will surely fix the problem. That worked out well with Crimea, after all.

somenameforme 8mo ago
They didn't cede anything there. They continued to claim that Crimea was theirs, with support from the US. Less than a year before Russia invaded Ukraine, Ukraine was openly speaking of all options to retake Crimea which would obviously entail war with Russia. [1] All the while they were actively seeking to join NATO, and Biden was certainly implying it would happen soon. This certainly contributed to Russia's decision to invade, as they likely saw the future as being a war on their terms, or a war on NATO's terms. And the narrative about aggressor would have likely played out similarly even if Ukraine/Biden had moved to invade Crimea, precisely because nothing was ever conceded. [1] - https://www.unian.info/politics/russian-aggression-ukraine-approves-strategy-to-end-occupation-of-crimea-11349913.html https://www.unian.info/politics/russian-aggression-ukraine-a...
- weregiraffe 8mo ago
  Russia delenda est.
  - nandomrumber 8mo ago
    Translates to Russia must be destroyed. Lovely. Israel, Russia… anyone else you want to see burn because you don’t like their current political leaders?
  - rngfnby 8mo ago
    Let's try it. Frankly, after the Epstein files, I welcome some fire and brimstone to clean things up a bit. (Of course, you probably think Epstein was a Russian agent)
- artem2471 8mo ago
  So Biden was “implying” something, and that was the reason for the war.
- netsharc 8mo ago
  "I stole your car, you need to cease all your attempts of taking it back, that is aggression/violence against me!".
gspetr 8mo ago
Worked out pretty well for Finland, has it not?
- artem2471 8mo ago
  Finland inflicted a serious military victory over ussr, actually had a possibility of Allies joining in Winter War, and fought with ussr in 1941-1945. After all that it got its neutral position, not only by ceding some land, but actively resisting. Meanwhile Baltic states lost their sovereignty for 50 years.
  - pandaman 8mo ago
    Finland had an offer from the USSR to swap some land for double the size elsewhere. After the "serious military victory over ussr" it lost that land plus some more for the total of 11% of its area, including its second largest city. >and fought with ussr in 1941-1945 That is a very hilarious way to say that Finland allied with Nazis and got crushed again.
    - artem2471 8mo ago
      Finland retained its independence. There was a clear designation of Finland as Soviet zone of influence in Molotov Ribbentrop protocol, every other country in that zone was conquered.
      - pandaman 8mo ago
        >Finland retained its independence. As same as all other Axis powers and their allies, nobody wanted to annex them.
- Gud 8mo ago
  No, it hasn’t. They lost a large chunk of land and every male still needs to spend one year of their life defending their country.
  - 8mo ago

They didn't cede anything there. They continued to claim that Crimea was theirs, with support from the US. Less than a year before Russia invaded Ukraine, Ukraine was openly speaking of all options to retake Crimea which would obviously entail war with Russia. [1] All the while they were actively seeking to join NATO, and Biden was certainly implying it would happen soon. This certainly contributed to Russia's decision to invade, as they likely saw the future as being a war on their terms, or a war on NATO's terms. And the narrative about aggressor would have likely played out similarly even if Ukraine/Biden had moved to invade Crimea, precisely because nothing was ever conceded. [1] - https://www.unian.info/politics/russian-aggression-ukraine-approves-strategy-to-end-occupation-of-crimea-11349913.html https://www.unian.info/politics/russian-aggression-ukraine-a...

weregiraffe 8mo ago
Russia delenda est.
- nandomrumber 8mo ago
  Translates to Russia must be destroyed. Lovely. Israel, Russia… anyone else you want to see burn because you don’t like their current political leaders?
- rngfnby 8mo ago
  Let's try it. Frankly, after the Epstein files, I welcome some fire and brimstone to clean things up a bit. (Of course, you probably think Epstein was a Russian agent)
artem2471 8mo ago
So Biden was “implying” something, and that was the reason for the war.
netsharc 8mo ago
"I stole your car, you need to cease all your attempts of taking it back, that is aggression/violence against me!".

gspetr 8mo ago

Worked out pretty well for Finland, has it not?

artem2471 8mo ago
Finland inflicted a serious military victory over ussr, actually had a possibility of Allies joining in Winter War, and fought with ussr in 1941-1945. After all that it got its neutral position, not only by ceding some land, but actively resisting. Meanwhile Baltic states lost their sovereignty for 50 years.
- pandaman 8mo ago
  Finland had an offer from the USSR to swap some land for double the size elsewhere. After the "serious military victory over ussr" it lost that land plus some more for the total of 11% of its area, including its second largest city. >and fought with ussr in 1941-1945 That is a very hilarious way to say that Finland allied with Nazis and got crushed again.
  - artem2471 8mo ago
    Finland retained its independence. There was a clear designation of Finland as Soviet zone of influence in Molotov Ribbentrop protocol, every other country in that zone was conquered.
    - pandaman 8mo ago
      >Finland retained its independence. As same as all other Axis powers and their allies, nobody wanted to annex them.
Gud 8mo ago
No, it hasn’t. They lost a large chunk of land and every male still needs to spend one year of their life defending their country.
- 8mo ago