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Zelenskyy could die tomorrow and Ukraine would keep fighting. Your brain's been melted by Russian propaganda.

by dismalaf 8mo ago

jesterson 8mo ago
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- fhdkweig 8mo ago
  The Ukraine conscription age is 25. If they were desperate for soldiers it would be lowered. It was 18 for the United States in the Vietnam war. Definitely wouldn't be grabbing people off the streets.
  - somenameforme 8mo ago
    The US was a large country with normal demographics in the era of Vietnam, fighting a war with low deaths - less than 60k over ~10 years of fighting. Ukraine is a fraction of the size of the US, was already in a major demographic crisis before the war started, and is fighting a war where they are suffering high death rates. This [1] is a population of pyramid from Ukraine 2 years ago. It's going to look dramatically worse now. They simply don't have many people below the age of 25. And you shouldn't just view those people as fodder. That is essentially the future of Ukraine. Send them off to die and you literally and figuratively send the future of Ukraine off to die. So the two wars aren't especially comparable at all. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ukraine2024.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ukraine2024.jpg
    - SanjayMehta 8mo ago
      3.1 million Vietnamese died. But they don't count in USAian math. https://www.britannica.com/event/Vietnam-War https://www.britannica.com/event/Vietnam-War
      - somenameforme 8mo ago
        Yes, that's a travesty, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation thread.
        SanjayMehta 8mo ago
        The USA lost 60k mercenaries but killed 3.1 million Vietnamese. That has nothing to do with anything? Your lack of morals no longer surprises me.
        somenameforme 8mo ago
        He was comparing Ukraine to the US, not Vietnam.
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- jmye 8mo ago
  > Take out their army "recruiters" grabbing and beating people on streets He says, and then unironically whines about being called propaganda.
  - somenameforme 8mo ago
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    - jmye 8mo ago
      Implying that's the entirety of their army recruiting is obvious bullshit and propaganda, hoping no one will look any closer - clearly given what you've linked, here and what you're pretending it's responsive to. Why, specifically, should they "be considered a small sampling"? Because that betters your apologia? Because it makes you feel good?
      - jesterson 8mo ago
        > Implying that's the entirety of their army recruiting is obvious bullshit and propaganda Why, specifically, it is "obvious bullshit and propaganda"? Because that betters your apologia? Because it makes you feel good? I know it is pointless to say anything to brainwashed people, particularly those who think everyone around is brainwashed except them. Very few incidents came to light just because people are scared and afraid. zelenski secret police can make people disappear easily without any sort of trial. Just blame someone is a russian spy. Surely western mass media machine largely don't talk about it.
      - somenameforme 8mo ago
        You can find literally thousands of clips of busification [1] online. [2] And obviously those clips themselves are themselves hardly comprehensive. In part because not every incident is filmed, and in part because Zelensky made it illegal to share and record those videos within Ukraine, so those are people risking their own wellbeing to share what's happening. That site I linked to is even banned in Ukraine. And as the war looks increasingly decided these sort of incidents will only increase, because people don't want to die, and they especially don't want to die in vain. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busification [2] - https://busification.org/ https://busification.org/
rngfnby 8mo ago
Who walked away from the Istanbul offer and killed their negotiating team? There's no better outcome for Ukraine than that offer, plus a million dead. Thank you Boris Johnson.
mint5 8mo ago
This post’s comments has seen a special military operation or something, it’s straight up Soviet radio in here
- minihoster 8mo ago
  big uptick in authoritarian bootlicking in this place unfortunately

Zelenskyy could die tomorrow and Ukraine would keep fighting. Your brain's been melted by Russian propaganda.

jesterson 8mo ago

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fhdkweig 8mo ago
The Ukraine conscription age is 25. If they were desperate for soldiers it would be lowered. It was 18 for the United States in the Vietnam war. Definitely wouldn't be grabbing people off the streets.
- somenameforme 8mo ago
  The US was a large country with normal demographics in the era of Vietnam, fighting a war with low deaths - less than 60k over ~10 years of fighting. Ukraine is a fraction of the size of the US, was already in a major demographic crisis before the war started, and is fighting a war where they are suffering high death rates. This [1] is a population of pyramid from Ukraine 2 years ago. It's going to look dramatically worse now. They simply don't have many people below the age of 25. And you shouldn't just view those people as fodder. That is essentially the future of Ukraine. Send them off to die and you literally and figuratively send the future of Ukraine off to die. So the two wars aren't especially comparable at all. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ukraine2024.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ukraine2024.jpg
  - SanjayMehta 8mo ago
    3.1 million Vietnamese died. But they don't count in USAian math. https://www.britannica.com/event/Vietnam-War https://www.britannica.com/event/Vietnam-War
    - somenameforme 8mo ago
      Yes, that's a travesty, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation thread.
      - SanjayMehta 8mo ago
        The USA lost 60k mercenaries but killed 3.1 million Vietnamese. That has nothing to do with anything? Your lack of morals no longer surprises me.
        somenameforme 8mo ago
        He was comparing Ukraine to the US, not Vietnam.
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jmye 8mo ago
> Take out their army "recruiters" grabbing and beating people on streets He says, and then unironically whines about being called propaganda.
- somenameforme 8mo ago
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  - jmye 8mo ago
    Implying that's the entirety of their army recruiting is obvious bullshit and propaganda, hoping no one will look any closer - clearly given what you've linked, here and what you're pretending it's responsive to. Why, specifically, should they "be considered a small sampling"? Because that betters your apologia? Because it makes you feel good?
    - jesterson 8mo ago
      > Implying that's the entirety of their army recruiting is obvious bullshit and propaganda Why, specifically, it is "obvious bullshit and propaganda"? Because that betters your apologia? Because it makes you feel good? I know it is pointless to say anything to brainwashed people, particularly those who think everyone around is brainwashed except them. Very few incidents came to light just because people are scared and afraid. zelenski secret police can make people disappear easily without any sort of trial. Just blame someone is a russian spy. Surely western mass media machine largely don't talk about it.
    - somenameforme 8mo ago
      You can find literally thousands of clips of busification [1] online. [2] And obviously those clips themselves are themselves hardly comprehensive. In part because not every incident is filmed, and in part because Zelensky made it illegal to share and record those videos within Ukraine, so those are people risking their own wellbeing to share what's happening. That site I linked to is even banned in Ukraine. And as the war looks increasingly decided these sort of incidents will only increase, because people don't want to die, and they especially don't want to die in vain. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busification [2] - https://busification.org/ https://busification.org/

rngfnby 8mo ago

Who walked away from the Istanbul offer and killed their negotiating team? There's no better outcome for Ukraine than that offer, plus a million dead. Thank you Boris Johnson.

mint5 8mo ago

This post’s comments has seen a special military operation or something, it’s straight up Soviet radio in here

minihoster 8mo ago
big uptick in authoritarian bootlicking in this place unfortunately