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There's also a lot of "WHY AREN'T YOU FOCUSING ON THE MOTHER?" whataboutism in the comments, which I find appalling. The article was about something else, and

by rectang 8mo ago

There's also a lot of "WHY AREN'T YOU FOCUSING ON THE MOTHER?" whataboutism in the comments, which I find appalling. The article was about something else, and who knows what her circumstances were.

Aurornis 8mo ago
Most crimes like this are, sadly, committed by someone who has some connection to the family. It’s standard to investigate connections first. That’s not “appalling” to suggest, it’s just a sad reality of these crimes. They should be focusing on everyone connected to the family if known. It would be negligent not to. The confusion came from the way the article was written. They didn’t know the identity until afterward.
- tomnipotent 8mo ago
  Something like 60-70% of violent crime involves victims and offenders that know each other, and with murder and sexual assault it's 70-80%.
  - LorenPechtel 8mo ago
    Which isn't really relevant as most violent crime is criminal on criminal. Know each other doesn't mean they're friends. Many times it's rivals.
- directevolve 8mo ago
  I just want to point out that there’s a huge difference between thoroughly investigating the family after abuse of this magnitude has been proven, and making parents legally culpable for any harm that comes to their children in general. We can react to the fact that mothers can do more to protect their children from abuse in many ways. We can give them better access to information and support in getting away from abusers. We can create better links between police and communities they serve. We can create more pathways for children to be exposed to healthy adult behavior and connections with healthy adults, even when the family is dysfunctional. But when we find evidence that existing supports have failed, deeply investigating why is critical.
  - gosub100 8mo ago
    The investigators will be able to calculate how many rounds of abuse the victim suffered. The more it happened, the less likely it is the mother was unaware. And if course, the victim can tell us directly whether the mother knew. If so, she deserves a decade of her life in prison as well.
PinkSheep 8mo ago
You are right, the article is about: > She said at the point Homeland Security ended her abuse she had been "praying actively for it to end". You can provide your plausible suggestions as to what the family relationship looked like that the girl could neither ask her own mother for help nor was her father there for her.
- rectang 8mo ago
  My heart breaks for parents who learn that their children found themselves unable to confide in them about rape.
  - whatsupdog 8mo ago
    I doubt the mother didn't know.
    - rectang 8mo ago
      From Maternal Perceptions Of And Responses To Child Sexual Abuse https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4845772/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4845772/ : > But it was estimated that from 30% to even 80% of victims do not purposefully disclose their misuse before adulthood. [...] > Arata found an inverse relationship between the disclosure and severity of abuse. Subjects reporting contact sexual abuse were significantly less likely to disclose it than those reporting non-contact sexual abuse. > The duration of sexual abuse has a significant impact on its disclosure – the longer children are abused, the more hesitant they may be to disclose their abuse.
noufalibrahim 8mo ago
True. Damaged parents are often the kinds of people who are taken advantage of by sex offenders. I think it requires a social fix of some kind.
- vasco 8mo ago
  However damaged someone is they have a duty of care to their children. There's someone else with a blame in the story but to excuse this is very wrong.
  - deleted 8mo ago
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  - noufalibrahim 8mo ago
    Completely agree. It shouldn't be treated as an excuse but it's silly to ignore this as a HUGE risk factor. Probably should be considered when making policies etc.
gosub100 8mo ago
Equal rights also means equal accountability. It's very unlikely she was unaware of the abuse taking place for 6 years.

by rectang 8mo ago

There's also a lot of "WHY AREN'T YOU FOCUSING ON THE MOTHER?" whataboutism in the comments, which I find appalling. The article was about something else, and who knows what her circumstances were.

Aurornis 8mo ago

Most crimes like this are, sadly, committed by someone who has some connection to the family. It’s standard to investigate connections first. That’s not “appalling” to suggest, it’s just a sad reality of these crimes. They should be focusing on everyone connected to the family if known. It would be negligent not to. The confusion came from the way the article was written. They didn’t know the identity until afterward.

tomnipotent 8mo ago
Something like 60-70% of violent crime involves victims and offenders that know each other, and with murder and sexual assault it's 70-80%.
- LorenPechtel 8mo ago
  Which isn't really relevant as most violent crime is criminal on criminal. Know each other doesn't mean they're friends. Many times it's rivals.
directevolve 8mo ago
I just want to point out that there’s a huge difference between thoroughly investigating the family after abuse of this magnitude has been proven, and making parents legally culpable for any harm that comes to their children in general. We can react to the fact that mothers can do more to protect their children from abuse in many ways. We can give them better access to information and support in getting away from abusers. We can create better links between police and communities they serve. We can create more pathways for children to be exposed to healthy adult behavior and connections with healthy adults, even when the family is dysfunctional. But when we find evidence that existing supports have failed, deeply investigating why is critical.
- gosub100 8mo ago
  The investigators will be able to calculate how many rounds of abuse the victim suffered. The more it happened, the less likely it is the mother was unaware. And if course, the victim can tell us directly whether the mother knew. If so, she deserves a decade of her life in prison as well.

PinkSheep 8mo ago

You are right, the article is about: > She said at the point Homeland Security ended her abuse she had been "praying actively for it to end". You can provide your plausible suggestions as to what the family relationship looked like that the girl could neither ask her own mother for help nor was her father there for her.

rectang 8mo ago
My heart breaks for parents who learn that their children found themselves unable to confide in them about rape.
- whatsupdog 8mo ago
  I doubt the mother didn't know.
  - rectang 8mo ago
    From Maternal Perceptions Of And Responses To Child Sexual Abuse https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4845772/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4845772/ : > But it was estimated that from 30% to even 80% of victims do not purposefully disclose their misuse before adulthood. [...] > Arata found an inverse relationship between the disclosure and severity of abuse. Subjects reporting contact sexual abuse were significantly less likely to disclose it than those reporting non-contact sexual abuse. > The duration of sexual abuse has a significant impact on its disclosure – the longer children are abused, the more hesitant they may be to disclose their abuse.

noufalibrahim 8mo ago

True. Damaged parents are often the kinds of people who are taken advantage of by sex offenders. I think it requires a social fix of some kind.

vasco 8mo ago
However damaged someone is they have a duty of care to their children. There's someone else with a blame in the story but to excuse this is very wrong.
- deleted 8mo ago
  [deleted]
- noufalibrahim 8mo ago
  Completely agree. It shouldn't be treated as an excuse but it's silly to ignore this as a HUGE risk factor. Probably should be considered when making policies etc.

gosub100 8mo ago

Equal rights also means equal accountability. It's very unlikely she was unaware of the abuse taking place for 6 years.