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Ya but that's like saying we were going 10kmh, it's nbd that we accelerate to 1000kmh since we were gonna hit the wall anyways

_heimdall 9mo ago
This is exactly how we collectively "solve" so many problems today though, its far from unique to this topic. We over medicate people, especially the elderly, because each new med has side effects and they're dying eventually anyway. We print more and more debt to paper over massive budget surpluses because the unspoken reality is that we're financially screwed either way. We pile more and more regulations on because we'd rather further grow the government and kick the can a few more times. We bolt one new emissions system after another on our diesel engines because they're already unreliable, who cares. We don't consider how we got here, only what the next step we take should be. And don't even ask where a step should be taken, progress requires changing things constantly and we rarely give ourselves time to look back and retrace our steps.
- fyredge 9mo ago
  Your examples are not supporting your premise. Over medication is from all the attempts to fix all the various medical conditions found. Adding regulations are to fix all the problems of people finding new ways to abuse the system. This is entirely opposite from accelerationism, which would advocate for less medication so that sick people die quicker, and less regulation so that society would be exploited faster and collapse faster.
bmurphy1976 9mo ago
Well, then our disagreement is that I feel we were already going at 1000km/h. Nowhere did I say we should keep doing this or it was a good thing or we should ignore it. My point is simple: we already needed stop a long time ago. Let me re-use your analogy. We were already driving off a cliff, and we are trying to blame the fact that we're pushing on the gas and accelerating however we're ignoring that we were already heading that way and brake lines were cut.
JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
> that's like saying we were going 10kmh, it's nbd that we accelerate to 1000kmh since we were gonna hit the wall anyways Devil's advocate: folks will take that wall a lot more seriously at 1,000 km/h. "At Jena and Auerstedt the backwardness of the Prussian Army became apparent. By 1806, Prussian military doctrines have been unchanged for more than 50 years—tactics were monotonous, and the wagon system was obsolete" [1]. They had been obsolete for some time. But they didn't break until they hit Napoleon's army. Similarly, we have a lot of social plumbing that became–with the benefit of hindsight–obsolete with social media. It was possible to ignore, however, because the rate of change was slow. Now it isn't. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jena%E2%80%93Auerstedt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jena%E2%80%93Auerste...
- squeefers 9mo ago
  > Similarly, we have a lot of social plumbing that became–with the benefit of hindsight–obsolete with social media like what? because weve been able to send messages to each other on a computer since the 50s... or do you mean tiktok and twitter specifically?
  - JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
    > we’ve been able to send messages to each other on a computer since the 50s Not what we colloquially refer to as social media.
    - squeefers 9mo ago
      social media in uk law = any website with a message feature. social media in common parlance = anything from whatsapp and discord to youtube and tiktok, even sometimes aliexpress. anything with a doomscroll feature. anything showing videos, messaging between users allowed or not. its common usage is confused, the same as the common usage of trolling has strayed from its original meaning because normies picked it up and started using it to mean anyone abusing someone from an online account.
  - ben_w 9mo ago
squeefers 9mo ago
every culture EVER said that human culture is in decline. its big-babyism. i dont-like-it-ism.

_heimdall 9mo ago

This is exactly how we collectively "solve" so many problems today though, its far from unique to this topic. We over medicate people, especially the elderly, because each new med has side effects and they're dying eventually anyway. We print more and more debt to paper over massive budget surpluses because the unspoken reality is that we're financially screwed either way. We pile more and more regulations on because we'd rather further grow the government and kick the can a few more times. We bolt one new emissions system after another on our diesel engines because they're already unreliable, who cares. We don't consider how we got here, only what the next step we take should be. And don't even ask where a step should be taken, progress requires changing things constantly and we rarely give ourselves time to look back and retrace our steps.

fyredge 9mo ago
Your examples are not supporting your premise. Over medication is from all the attempts to fix all the various medical conditions found. Adding regulations are to fix all the problems of people finding new ways to abuse the system. This is entirely opposite from accelerationism, which would advocate for less medication so that sick people die quicker, and less regulation so that society would be exploited faster and collapse faster.

bmurphy1976 9mo ago

Well, then our disagreement is that I feel we were already going at 1000km/h. Nowhere did I say we should keep doing this or it was a good thing or we should ignore it. My point is simple: we already needed stop a long time ago. Let me re-use your analogy. We were already driving off a cliff, and we are trying to blame the fact that we're pushing on the gas and accelerating however we're ignoring that we were already heading that way and brake lines were cut.

JumpCrisscross 9mo ago

> that's like saying we were going 10kmh, it's nbd that we accelerate to 1000kmh since we were gonna hit the wall anyways Devil's advocate: folks will take that wall a lot more seriously at 1,000 km/h. "At Jena and Auerstedt the backwardness of the Prussian Army became apparent. By 1806, Prussian military doctrines have been unchanged for more than 50 years—tactics were monotonous, and the wagon system was obsolete" [1]. They had been obsolete for some time. But they didn't break until they hit Napoleon's army. Similarly, we have a lot of social plumbing that became–with the benefit of hindsight–obsolete with social media. It was possible to ignore, however, because the rate of change was slow. Now it isn't. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jena%E2%80%93Auerstedt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jena%E2%80%93Auerste...

squeefers 9mo ago
> Similarly, we have a lot of social plumbing that became–with the benefit of hindsight–obsolete with social media like what? because weve been able to send messages to each other on a computer since the 50s... or do you mean tiktok and twitter specifically?
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
  > we’ve been able to send messages to each other on a computer since the 50s Not what we colloquially refer to as social media.
  - squeefers 9mo ago
    social media in uk law = any website with a message feature. social media in common parlance = anything from whatsapp and discord to youtube and tiktok, even sometimes aliexpress. anything with a doomscroll feature. anything showing videos, messaging between users allowed or not. its common usage is confused, the same as the common usage of trolling has strayed from its original meaning because normies picked it up and started using it to mean anyone abusing someone from an online account.
- ben_w 9mo ago

squeefers 9mo ago

every culture EVER said that human culture is in decline. its big-babyism. i dont-like-it-ism.