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Instagram boss says 16 hours of daily use is 'problematic' not addiction
- walletdrainer 8mo agoThat seems like it’s probably correct, and utterly unsurprising. Why does this deserve a headline?
- nielsbot 8mo agoThat he said it or that the label “problematic” is correct?
- walletdrainer 8mo agoBoth of the above, and also that the label “addiction” is typically not correct.
- thisislife2 8mo agoDo you really believe 16 hours of use daily is not indicative of an addiction? It deserves a headline as it is is a controversial statement that aims to minimise criticism against social media platforms and thus needs to be challenged / debated in society. If social media addiction is not treated as a social problem, the people will not pressure the government to regulate it. That is why social media platforms are claiming that it is only (a personal) problem (of some individual) if some use it for 16 hours while others suggest that it has become a societal problem because its users are now addicts. Social problems needs political solutions to address, and in this case one of the suggested ways is government intervention (through regulations).
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- walletdrainer 8mo ago> Do you really believe 16 hours of use daily is not indicative of an addiction? It can certainly indicate that, but typically does not. Most instances of problematic overindulgence have absolutely nothing to do with addiction.
- thisislife2 8mo agoSure, if you want to to be technical and pedantic about it, everything is only a "problem" until clearly diagnosed by an expert! (See Behavioural addictions: What are the signs of addiction? - https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/6407-addiction https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/6407-addictio... ).
- bdamm 8mo agoIt is absolutely revealing that the Instagram boss can’t openly admit that 16 hours of daily use is a problem. Name one thing that is okay to do for 16 hours a day. One.
- King-Aaron 8mo agobreathing
- atomicapple 8mo ago> the Instagram boss can’t openly admit that 16 hours of daily use is a problem. > Instagram boss says 16 hours of daily use is "problematic"
- tgv 8mo agoNot the best argument, as the answer is breathing.
- ta8903 8mo agoI don't think it's okay to breathe for 16 hours a day.
- DavidPiper 8mo agoIf Instagram is as omnipresent as breathing we still have problem.
- tgv 8mo agoSure, I totally agree with the sentiment, but it's not the right way to formulate an objection.
- andsoitis 8mo ago> It is absolutely revealing that the Instagram boss can’t openly admit that 16 hours of daily use is a problem. He literally said it is problematic!
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- godelski 8mo agoConsidering teenagers should get more than 8hrs of sleep, 16 hours means they're losing sleep because they spent more than their waking hours on a single thing...
- giancarlostoro 8mo agoAh yes, my high school years, go to sleep at 1 ~ 2 AM wake up at 5 AM in order to get ready for high school. There was no instagram, insomnia was still terrible. Teens need a lot of sleep time, but I feel like I was way more resilient on less sleep. Compared to now where I can barely function without at least 7 hours of sleep.
- leosanchez 8mo agoWhen does it become an addiction? 26 hours?
- JumpCrisscross 8mo ago> Adam Mosseri, who has led Instagram for eight years This is the light of moral clarity in Mountain View that champions Instagram for Kids [1]. [1] https://www.npr.org/2021/12/08/1062576576/instagrams-ceo-adam-mosseri-hears-senators-brush-aside-his-promises-to-self-poli https://www.npr.org/2021/12/08/1062576576/instagrams-ceo-ada...
- scarab92 8mo agoIt’s worth keeping in mind that 16 hours was their single highest day of use ever, not their typical daily use. I’m sure I’ve spent 16 hours on Netflix or League of Legends in a 24 hour period before, yet my median daily usage is 0 hours, and it wouldn’t be reasonable to describe my usage as an addition either. I’m not saying people don’t get addicted to social media, they do, but in this particular case I think his description of problematic is adequate, and this headline is unnecessarily confrontational.
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- JumpCrisscross 8mo agoNow do “Mosseri said he did not think it was possible to say how much Instagram use was too much.” The guy doesn’t have a red line when it comes to children. That’s self serving and dangerous. (It’s also against a mounting pile of evidence, much of which Facebook has tried to lie about.)
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- FrankBooth 8mo agoAktionT4.md?
- mandeepj 8mo ago> Added the "Instagram boss" to my personal list His compensation package must have these variable components- MAUs, hours spent, engagement etc
- throwawayk7h 8mo agohabituation and addiction are technically different. But both can be very damaging.
- carabiner 8mo agoAre we the bad guys then?
- daniel_iversen 8mo ago[assuming you work for Meta or a social media company] in theory (and not that debatable IMHO) if the net contribution to society on balance is negative?
- sph 8mo agoIf you work on a social media platform, probably, yeah.
- stinkbeetle 8mo agoHe would say that.
- Surac 8mo agoIf i only look ar it every 8 hours for 10 secs then 16 hours may be ok
- intellectronica 8mo agoTechnically correct. We can't call every compulsive behaviour "addiction". Using a social app for 16 hours a day is a very serious problem and requires treatment. But it's not addiction in the same sense that other commonly-recognised addictions to substance and even behaviours are.
- whilenot-dev 8mo agoI'd call every enjoyment that isn't practiced as a ritual an addiction, and healthy rituals should not take up more than a fraction of the available time. With 16 hours of daily use (and 8 hours of sleep per day) I wouldn't contrast the batched consumption here on an hours/day-basis, but on a days/year-basis, like going on a trip, a festival etc. Since that basically results in all the days available each year here, it isn't really a practiced ritual anymore, but a complete lifestyle.
- baxtr 8mo agoIt’s good to have a definition in place before a discussion. People with addiction use substances or engage in behaviors that become compulsive and often continue despite harmful consequences. This is from the American Society of Addiction Medicine. You can do your own test if this matches watching short videos extensively. https://www.asam.org/quality-care/definition-of-addiction https://www.asam.org/quality-care/definition-of-addiction
- rester324 8mo agoIMO we are way past beyond the point where these definitions are necessary. The consensus is that social media sites are objectively mentally harmful
- sidcool 8mo ago"Thank you for smoking"
- b00ty4breakfast 8mo agoI could maybe be more amenable to considering his opinion if his product wasn't designed to elicit this kind of behavior in users. Whether 16 hours specifically is the norm or just an extreme outlier, it is still the desired outcome of every decision that goes into engineering and building Instagram. eating 20 twinkies a day isn't necessarily the norm but twinkies have been formulated to make you want to eat them.
- Frieren 8mo ago> "I'm sure I've said that I've been addicted to a Netflix show when I binged it really late one night, but I don't think it's the same thing as clinical addiction." Tobacco defense. He is defending himself in a trial, is a very biased opinion. > Familial links to lung cancer manifestation first appeared in the literature in the 1960s when siblings were found to have an increase in lung cancer mortality. ... The first published piece of literature attributing cigarette smoking to the growing incidence of lung cancer was in 1912 ... Tobacco companies enlisted the medical and nursing professions to promote the safety of their products in their advertising materials Stop listening to billionaires and CEOs that profit the most from the damage that their business do to society. They lie for money, as simple as that.
- erelong 8mo agoFair to say it's not an addiction but habit forming? Just like food, gaming, exercise, certain drugs...? For example with certain drug addictions there is a direct physical danger of overdose which doesn't exist in the same way with social media
- josefritzishere 8mo ago16 hours of anything in a day is a problem. You can't even sleep for 16 hours without it being indicative of a problem.