My point is that they desugar directly to data structures (instantiated in Java, in LispReader) instead of operation forms that evaluate to data structures. Se

My point is that they desugar directly to data structures (instantiated in Java, in LispReader) instead of operation forms that evaluate to data structures. See vector creation: https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/52633274225370dfb0581c1c6fa1e14a2ec56061/src/jvm/clojure/lang/LispReader.java#L1080 https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/52633274225370dfb058...